Reef Central Online Community

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community Archives > General Interest Forums > The Reef Chemistry Forum
FAQ Calendar Today's Posts Search

 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 01/23/2002, 01:10 PM
3_high_low 3_high_low is offline
Reefer
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Boston,MA,USA
Posts: 4,325
Question pH swing and gas exchange question.

Hi Randy,

My pH ranges from 7.85 at night to 8.2 in the afternoon. (If I don't drip limewater at night.) How would you rate that as far as a gas exchange indicator?

Also, I'm hooking up a Myreef becket injector skimmer tonight. Do you think that might help keep the pH up at all? If this skimmer cranks out as much skum as I expect I might just run it at night.

Thanks!
__________________
Mark
  #2  
Old 01/23/2002, 01:34 PM
Randy Holmes-Farley Randy Holmes-Farley is offline
Reef Chemist
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Arlington, Massachusetts
Posts: 52,068
3-high:

<< My pH ranges from 7.85 at night to 8.2 in the afternoon. (If I don't drip limewater at night.) How would you rate that as far as a gas exchange indicator? >>

I'd say that is on the low end of average. I was thinking about this just now because of the gas exchange post in the main forum.

IMO, I'd say that

0.1 pH swing or less was very good
0.1 to 0.2 was good
0.2 to 0.4 was less good
> 0.4 sounds marginal to me

There are a number of qualifications, however:

1. If you do anything different between day and night, like limewater additions, this may mask the limited gas exchange (or make it look worse if you do things backwards).

2. If you have a refugium on an inverse light cycle, that too may mask the gas exchange issue.

With respect to CO2, masking the effect, and actually changing the effect may be one in the same, but if you use pH swing as an indicator of O2 exchange, that may not be the case.

3. The pH swing may be biggger at lower pH simply because seawater at pH 8.4 is more heavily buffered than seawater at pH 8.0 (because carboante provides buffering against downward pH changes, and carbonate is much lower at pH 8 than at 8.4.
__________________
Randy Holmes-Farley
  #3  
Old 01/23/2002, 01:37 PM
Randy Holmes-Farley Randy Holmes-Farley is offline
Reef Chemist
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Arlington, Massachusetts
Posts: 52,068
<< Also, I'm hooking up a Myreef becket injector skimmer tonight. Do you think that might help keep the pH up at all? If this skimmer cranks out as much skum as I expect I might just run it at night. >>


If you are using limewater, it might actually reduce it. Without the limewater, it may well raise it, yes.

I recently stopped my skimmer, as an experiment, and thought I'd see an increase in the pH swing. I did not, but I do have an inverse light cycle refugium. I can't so readily tell the absolute effect that the change had on pH because I titrate the amount of limewater added based on the pH. It wasn't big, however, and if anything, it went up (as expected for a limewater tank).
__________________
Randy Holmes-Farley
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef Central™ Reef Central, LLC. Copyright ©1999-2009