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Old 03/22/2004, 11:59 AM
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Question Diversity in Sand Bed - Annual Trade!
A lightbulb just went off:

How about a national sand trade?

Everyone sends 2 cups of their sand (NO FLATWORMS!!!) via priority mail to a centralized location - for instance, me.

I would mix all of the sand together and send you back 2 cups of sand (hopefully from 50 or more sources).

Cost would be the priority mail charge to me ($3.85 - flat rate) and the cost back to you ($3.85 - flat rate). (So total cost about $7.70) The coast to coast travel time is 2 days.

I'm suggesting and volunteering for this for absolutely no reason other than it's a pretty neat idea.

I think part of the "deep sand base" issue is the diversity. It's probably helpful to do your local sand trades - but what if you could get a little bit of sand from 50 or more people all over the country?

If you're interested - post yes and bump this up. If there's enough interest, we'll do it.

If a mod agrees that it's a neat idea - a sticky would be cool.
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Old 03/22/2004, 12:29 PM
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Wow James,

What a great idea - I'm in for 2 cups!

Suprised nobody thought of this sooner....

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Old 03/22/2004, 12:42 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 01:34 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 01:45 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 02:34 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 02:43 PM
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-Hmmmm,well I think the intention is good but I don't think it would work without considering ratios of grain sizes,this is how you keep diversity.
I beleive this is a key in how long a sediment is stay functioning in one reef and not in another.
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Old 03/22/2004, 03:04 PM
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Oh heck, I'll try it, but the first flatworm that shows up...I'm visiting all 50 of you with my 8lb.attack dog.
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Old 03/22/2004, 03:13 PM
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-Hmmmm,well I think the intention is good but I don't think it would work without considering ratios of grain sizes,this is how you keep diversity.
I beleive this is a key in how long a sediment is stay functioning in one reef and not in another.
-Graves
So by your rationale, all 50 people have the same size grains? Not sure where you're going with this.
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Old 03/22/2004, 03:39 PM
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Shouldn't really matter what size sand anyone has anyway, crushed coral or real fine...we're only talking about 2 cups here and I doubt I'd even notice where it went once I poured it in.
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Old 03/22/2004, 03:42 PM
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Sounds great to me. However I have a new sand bed in a 75 with the aged sand from my 30 plus some from LFS. I need some more diversity.
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Old 03/22/2004, 03:45 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 03:58 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 04:03 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 04:03 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 04:04 PM
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I can see it now, we all have to revise our profiles to add "sandbed from NC, WA, IO, CA, FL, MN, MA, and Canada"
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Old 03/22/2004, 04:19 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 04:29 PM
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Im in, but make sure that you send the bag of flat worms I include to nanocat, I wanna see the 8lb attack dog!!!!!
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Old 03/22/2004, 05:14 PM
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So by your rationale, all 50 people have the same size grains? Not sure where you're going with this.
-No not at all.I don't think it matters .What matters is the type of sediment they can survive in.

Lets say you add two cups of a mixed sediment with a fairly rich diversity of life.Do you think it would stay that way in a reef tank where the sediment is 98.9% southdown or crushed coral?

You can add what ever you want but it doesn't mean it can survive if the environment isn't ideal.

-Graves
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Old 03/22/2004, 05:35 PM
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However, even if 1% of it survives/adapts your diversifying your sandbed.
Worth the risk imo.
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Old 03/22/2004, 05:51 PM
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-No not at all.I don't think it matters .What matters is the type of sediment they can survive in.

Lets say you add two cups of a mixed sediment with a fairly rich diversity of life.Do you think it would stay that way in a reef tank where the sediment is 98.9% southdown or crushed coral?

You can add what ever you want but it doesn't mean it can survive if the environment isn't ideal.

-Graves
Ok - I see where you're going.

I'm not an expert on the effects of grain size on survivability of micro and macro infauna so I won't comment further.

All I know is that I significantly increased the diversity of my sandbed by doing a few local trades. Doing a mass trade across the country couldn't hurt.
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Old 03/22/2004, 05:59 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 06:08 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 06:14 PM
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Old 03/22/2004, 06:21 PM
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Am I the only one who noticed that the first 2 posts where from him?

Anyway, interesting idea.
 
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