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Old 10/25/2007, 11:51 AM
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first cycle over. water change?

todays test show that the first cycle is over, is it time for a water change before i add the clean up crew? how long before i canb add 2 clowns?
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Old 10/25/2007, 11:54 AM
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I'm very new at this, but I added my first two fish, 2 green chromis and clean up crew, 3 turbo snails prior to my first water change.

They been in there for 2 weeks now and everything has been fine.
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Old 10/25/2007, 11:57 AM
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did you add any hermit crabs?
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Old 10/25/2007, 11:59 AM
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""Many"" different opinions on this subject...I changed 25% after the cycle was complete before I added anything.
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:05 PM
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aLWAYS do a water change 1 time every two weeks at first and then once you start to add stuff do one every week. About 20% water change. and u won't have any probs. It's important to start the nitrogen cycle when first starting tanks. You can do that by adding live sand and live rock. after adding live rock wait a month or so before you add your clean up crew...then about a month after that if your inverts don't die on ya ( if they do inverts are very sensitve , and your water isn't safe) then add your fishy friends. GL
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:06 PM
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How long has the tank been set up overall? Water changes are fine and important even during the "cycle".
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:06 PM
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did you add any hermit crabs?
No, I did not add any hermits. I was actually going to. But, after reading and getting information from others with experience on this forum, I found out that the hermits will eat the snails and take their shells. Therefore, I just decided to stay away, at least at this time, from the hermits.

But, then two others on this board stated that if I went with a blue leg hermit, it would be too small to go after the Turbo's! I really don't know enough to say if that is true or not, but most people seem to think the hermits will kill the snails.
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2 green chromis
2 false perc/tr
Indigo Dotty/tr
2 button polyp
gsp
candy cane
zoa
ricordia rock
open brain
5 turbos
5 hermits
30 lb ls / 27lb lr
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:09 PM
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get some hermits they are good. Dying is part of life i'm afraid.
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:10 PM
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my tank has been going 6 weeks and i have done one water change. im just wondering if i should do a water change before adding my clean up crew. or add the clean up crew anddo a water change 1 week later? if i do a water change first how long before i put the clean up crew in?
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:12 PM
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What all besides what you listed do you have in your tank? I also have a 29 gal bio check it out! http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1228133
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:14 PM
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It's important when ever you want to add something new to do a water change 1 day before you add it. Therefore it is put into the cleanest water quality and has time to adjust for when it starts to be towards the next water change.
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:43 PM
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What all besides what you listed do you have in your tank? I also have a 29 gal bio check it out! http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1228133
As of right now, I have the following in my Bio Cube:

15 lbs of live rock
30 lbs of live sand
2 Green Chromis
3 Turbo Snails

+/- any hitchers of the live rock! I've only seen one little snail so far!


Any ideas on where to go from there? It's been one week since the turbo's were added. They were the newest additons.
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2 green chromis
2 false perc/tr
Indigo Dotty/tr
2 button polyp
gsp
candy cane
zoa
ricordia rock
open brain
5 turbos
5 hermits
30 lb ls / 27lb lr
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:44 PM
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if i do a water change will it go in to a cycle again?

i have a 29 gallon to. will have to post some pics soon.
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:46 PM
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What all besides what you listed do you have in your tank? I also have a 29 gal bio check it out! http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1228133
By the way Salty, I forgot to add in my response to you...the tank looks absolutely great! I hope get somewhere near that in the future!
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2 green chromis
2 false perc/tr
Indigo Dotty/tr
2 button polyp
gsp
candy cane
zoa
ricordia rock
open brain
5 turbos
5 hermits
30 lb ls / 27lb lr
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:48 PM
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if i do a water change will it go in to a cycle again?

i have a 29 gallon to. will have to post some pics soon.
I don't believe so, but hopefully someone with more experience will answer that.

IME with my bigger Cichlid tank, I've never had a re-cycle when I do water changes. My nitrates drop a bit, mostly from the debris etc being removed during the change.

I don't know if the reef/salt is affected any differently as my first water change for mine is being done tomorrow night.
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2 green chromis
2 false perc/tr
Indigo Dotty/tr
2 button polyp
gsp
candy cane
zoa
ricordia rock
open brain
5 turbos
5 hermits
30 lb ls / 27lb lr
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Old 10/25/2007, 12:55 PM
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if i do a water change will it go in to a cycle again?
Nope. Won't cause a cycle. When doing a WC you are not removing any amount of nitrifying bacteria...

Only reason it should kick up another cycle is if something is done that causes a die off of the bacteria or introduces excessive nutrients into the system...

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Old 10/25/2007, 12:57 PM
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if i do a water change will it go in to a cycle again?
No, no, no. The bacteria you want are not in the water but clinging to the rock and sand. Water changes never induce a cycle.
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:02 PM
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if i do a water change will it go in to a cycle again?

i have a 29 gallon to. will have to post some pics soon.
No. Water changes will not cause a cycle. The beneficial bacteria are in the rock and substrate. Very little is actually in the water column.

I would add the snails first. Wait a week or two, then add the clowns.
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:04 PM
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what is IME?

i have 7 kg so about 14lbs of live rock
i have seen 1 bristle worm in ther
7 small fetherdusters i think
some other worms they are orange and withe striped 3 of them
the just sit in holes in the rock.
somthing small looks like a clear like an anemame it opens and closes.

i think i want to go for hermit crabs for a clean up crew what colour legs are best? i hear too much about snails turn over and i dont want to be in and out of the tank too much. also the snails in the lfs were on there backs. whats the score with this.
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:34 PM
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IME=In my experience.

The current trend is that hermits are not that great an addition to the tank. They are cute and great cleaner uppers but they are also predators eating beneficial worms and copepods. The choice is yours as many people still add thenm to their tanks.

As to that clear looking anemone, could it be an Aiptasia? If so it is not good. An Aiptasia Convention
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:39 PM
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not sure if it is aiptasia i will have to wait to see what comes of it.

are blue hermits better in the tank than the red?

would hermits eat polyps?

what snails would be good?
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:41 PM
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get a bit of each kind of snails.
I like scarlet hermit crab better than blue. look better and for me do a better job
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:41 PM
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what is IME?

i have 7 kg so about 14lbs of live rock
i have seen 1 bristle worm in ther
7 small fetherdusters i think
some other worms they are orange and withe striped 3 of them
the just sit in holes in the rock.
somthing small looks like a clear like an anemame it opens and closes.

i think i want to go for hermit crabs for a clean up crew what colour legs are best? i hear too much about snails turn over and i dont want to be in and out of the tank too much. also the snails in the lfs were on there backs. whats the score with this.
IME = In my experience...I picked that up off of some of these threads

I've heard mostly of people with the blue legged hermits. I don't know if it's because they're hardier, easier to keep for us newbies, or just more readily available. But, most people seem to talk about the blue legged ones.

I have a few feather dusters that were hitch hikers on my live rock and a snail. I have no idea what type of snail it is, but I just found him the other night for the first time. I have not seen any worms or anything else yet in mine.

Make sure the anemone that you have is not aptasia. I don't know much about aptasia, but from these posts I've been reading it seems to be a common hitch hiker on live rock and is more of a nuisance than a desired anemone because it stings and kills most of the fish.

I don't know much in regards to the snails. The 3 turbo's I have, were on the glass at my LFS, and I've had them with no problems yet, but only for a week. I don't have much experience with hermits vs. snails, but from what I've been reading, the snails do a better job as a clean up crew, but the hermits are more entertaining to watch.
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2 green chromis
2 false perc/tr
Indigo Dotty/tr
2 button polyp
gsp
candy cane
zoa
ricordia rock
open brain
5 turbos
5 hermits
30 lb ls / 27lb lr
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:45 PM
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yeah the hermits are especially entertaining to watch as they jack one of your snails to pick it apart and try on its shell, only to decide it likes the old one better. It is cool to watch them bounce from one shell to another, but at the price of a snail for this entertainment the novelty wears of quickly
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Old 10/25/2007, 01:49 PM
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give it another week or two then add the clowns
 


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