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Old 08/07/2007, 09:22 AM
conorwynne conorwynne is offline
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Holidays Killed my reef

Hi all,

Just back from a lovely three week holiday in sunny France.
Great time canoeing & fishing and having a laugh.

Now the bad news.
I have lost almost my entire livestock due to a power failure.

The dead include all my SPS frags (and they were doing so well), my lovely clam, coral beauty, all my snails, all my SPS are bleached and dead, cleaner shrimp, and lots more.

The only survivors are a few zoas, dodgy looking xenia sp. (which I want rid of anyway) 2 browned out colonies of acros (but polyps still entended, phew), my beloved maroon clown and a humbug are still fine.

The tank is absolutely destroyed in algae. So I have decided to break the entire thing down and start again.

Now, I need some advice.
Someone told me that you cannot drill "old" glass, the tank is 7 years old -- sounds like rubbish to me, anyone have an opinion on that? I am not happy with the current overflow box system into the sump, and since I am breaking it down, it makes sense to drill it.

I can get my LFS to hold the survivors while I do this and I don't mind how long it takes to get it right.

Shall I "cook" the LR ? How can I get rid of the algae on it? Can I cook in total darkness? Would that be a good way to be rid of the algae? Any docs/resources for cooking? I cannot afford to buy new rock, and I do not need anymore anyway. I spent way too much money in the 3 weeks away -- never mind the $1000 on wine/spirits/champagne on the way home ;-0

Opinions really welcome.

No pics lads, I don't have a camera at the moment. Maybe Christmas...

Regards
Conor.
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Old 08/07/2007, 10:41 AM
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It IS rubbish that you can't drill old glass.


You just can't drill tempered glass.
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Old 08/09/2007, 02:05 PM
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We have decided to bite the bullit and buy a new bigger 5ft marine drilled tank.

Cannot wait!
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Old 08/09/2007, 02:16 PM
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How to cook rock, courtesy of SeanT

Here is the process.

The purpose of "cooking" your rocks is to have the bacteria consume all (or as much) organic material and PO4 stored on, and in, the rock as possible.
The first step to this is commitment.
You have to be willing to remove your rock from the tank.
It doesn't have to be all at once, but I feel if you are going to do this do it all. In stages if that is easier but make sure that all of it gets done.
The new environment you are creating for your rock is to take it from an algal driven to a bacterial driven system.
In order to do this, the rock needs to be in total darkness to retard and eventually kill the algae's on the rock and to give the bacteria time to do the job.
So basically you need tubs to hold the rock.
Equipment needed.
1. Dedication.
2. Tubs to cook rock in. And an equal amount of tubs to hold the rock during waterchanges.
3. A few powerheads.
4. Plenty of buckets.
5. A smug feeling of superiority that you are taking it to "the next level."
6. Saltwater, enough made up to follow the instructions below and to replenish your tank after removing rocks.

Here are the steps:
1. Get into your head and accept the fact you will be making lots of salt water if you aren't lucky enough to have access to filtered NSW.
2. Explain to significant other what is going on so they don't flip out. This process can take up to 2 months. Prepare them in advance so he/she can mark it on the calendar and that they won't nag about it until that date arrives.
3. Setup a tub(s) where the rock is to be cooked. Garages are great for this.
4. Make up enough water to fill tub(s) about halfway and around 5-7 buckets about 60% full.
5. Remove all the rock you want to cook at this stage. (The rock can be removed piece by piece until you are done.) I suggest shutting off the circulation beforehand to minimize dust storms.
6. Take the first piece of rock and dunk it, swish it, very, very well in the first bucket. Then do it again in the 2nd bucket, then the third.
7. Place rock in the tub.
8. Repeat steps 6 & 7 to every piece of rock you want to cook at this time. The reason I suggested 5-7 buckets of water will be evident quickly...as the water quickly turns brown.
9. Place powerhead(s) in the tub and plug in. Position at least one powerhead so that it agitates the surface of the water pretty well. This is to keep the water oxygenated. You can use an air pump for additional oxygenation if you wish. Only one powerhead per tub is needed. Remember the powerheads main responsibility is the oxygenation of the water.
10. Cover the tub. Remember, we want TOTAL darkness.
11. Empty out buckets, restart circulation on main tank.
12. Wait.
13. During the first couple of weeks it is recommended to do a swishing and dunking of the rocks twice a week.
What this entails is to make up enough water to fill up those buckets and the tub the rock is in.
First, lay out your empty tub(s) and fill buckets the same as before.
Then, uncover tub with the rock in it. Take a rock and swish it in the tub it's in to knock any easy to get off junk.
Then, swish it thru the 3 buckets again, and place in the empty tub..
Repeat for all your rocks.
Then empty the tub that all the rocks were cooking in, take it outside and rinse it out with a hose.
Place tub back where it was, fill with new saltwater, add rocks and powerheads, and cover.
Wait again until the next water change.
You will be utterly amazed at how much sand, silt, detritus is at the bottom of the tub and every bucket. It is amazing.
At times the stench was so strong I gagged.

How it works:
Some FAQ's.
When re-introducing the rock to my tank, a month or two from now, should I do that in parts to help minimize any cycling effect(s)...if there are any?
I never have. Really after a very short while, the ammonium cycle has been established. That's not what you're worry about though, it's the stored phosphates and that you have to wait it out.
When they are producing very little detritus - you'll know - then I would use them all at once.
Would running Carbon filtration and/or a PO4 reducing media help/hurry/hinder the process?
I wouldn't fool with it. You don't want the detritus to sit there long enough to rot, release water soluble P again. You want to take it out while it's still locked up in that bacterial detritus.
I would say that 85% of my exposed rock had Bryopsis (hair algae) covering it.
There isn't a single visible strand on any rocks my tank now.
Remember, the key is patience. Let this process run its course.
And a few last minute tidbits I remembered.
Your coralline will die back, recede etc.
My thoughts on this are GREAT!
Now my rock is more porous for additional pods, mysids, worms etc.
Coralline will grow back.
Throughout this process the sponges, and pods on my rock have not died off.
Every time I do a water change they are there and plentiful.
Remember, once you place your rock back into your tank you will need a specialized cleanup crew.
I recommend Astrea's and Cerith's, 2 to 1.
-Astrea's are great at harvesting algae.
-Cerith's are great at harvesting other algae - and - astrea poop.
-Cerith's will make the astrea poop easier for you to harvest with a skimmer.


But remember, you do not need to run a barebottom tank to benefit from rock "cooking".
hth,
Sean
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Old 08/09/2007, 03:07 PM
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You might want to check out the magnesium cure for algae before you do anything drastic. I have been following this thread and it seems like it has been working for quite a few people. Just a thought

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1113109
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Old 08/10/2007, 05:44 AM
conorwynne conorwynne is offline
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Sean, thanks for the lengthy informative answer, Alto, Mag eh! Never heard of it. I will certainly look into it!

The tank has already been broken down, livestock gone to LFS and rock is cooking away in two large tubs.

I didn't realise just how much rock I really had-- tons of large pieces!
Off to a wedding now, so catch ye later.
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Old 08/10/2007, 05:47 AM
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Thanks to Kong as well as Sean that is :-)
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Old 08/10/2007, 06:52 AM
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good luck.. :P
 


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