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I wouldn't feed the ex-2 off an OR. I use a mj1200 and it works great.
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I have about 300gal/hr flow through my mod version of EX-2, how much flow are the rest of you running through these things?
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I using a mj1200 with the valve close a little bit....so maybe 225gph.
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It seems like that is the right amount of flow to, but has anyone studied this problem?
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What problem? Do you want to run more water through the skimmer?
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The question is what is the optimal rate of flow through a recirc skimmer? Controlling the flow is another question. Putting 5gal/hr through probably wouldn't be a good idea, but neither is 5000gal/hr. So has anyone calculated, scientifically the optimal flow through these things or are we all just guessing?
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1.5 times tank volume is what must people recommend.
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i dont under stand . i use the flow rate to adjust the skim wet or dry with air valves wide open. i use a mj1200 with the valve closed a bit. if i want wetter skim i open it up for drier i close it.
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I dont think it's quite a guess. Most recircs seem to recommend 1X - 2X or 2.5X system volume per hour. It's a combination of reduced turbulence and increased contact time. But controlling the flow is not another question. It's tied directly into it. You cant put 5000 gallons per hour through a stock DAS EX-1 or EX-2. You cant put 1000 GPH through it and I doubt you could put 500 GPH through it although maybe that doable.
You are basically limited to a fairly narrow range of flow rates due to there being no control of output. If you increase flow you quickly get to a point of needing to reduce air intake to prevent overskimming and still, even with the air all the way off you reach an upper limit that is not very high. Anyway, cut off air too much in order to try and increase flow and you get to a point where you wont skim well because not enough air. If you open the air all the way you still have a bottom point to where you cannot decrease flow any further or it wont skim well. Those upper and lower ranges are fine as long as you work within them and are happy to work within them. And the skimmer should skim perfectly fine, maybe even optimally in most size systems, within them. But if you want to increase flow beyond the inherent limitation of the skimmer or decrease flow beyond those limits, (limits due to only having input flow control and air control) you cannot do so without adding a valve or other control mechanism on the output of the skimmer. I immediately modded the output with a gate valve so Im not quite sure what the upper and lower limits are with a stock DAS. DAS doesnt have any paperwork or information regarding exactly what flow rates they recommend or will handle on the upper and lower ends. They were designed based on an older Deltec design. The Deltecs have output flow control though. You can always find out for yourself by doing two things. Remove the air valves to run air all the way open and then adjust input flow to where the skimmer skims its best (your preferred skimmate color/consistency) and that is your lower flow limit which you can measure by timing the flow out of the output. Then increase flow progressively and adjust air downward to the point where you reach a max flow with minimal acceptable air to still skim well (your preferred skimmate color/consistency) and you have reached your maximum flow limit which can be measured by timing how long it takes the outflow to fill a known volume. If you want to increase flow or decrease flow beyond those limits ... put a valve or ther control on the output. |
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Thanks for all the info, that is what I was looking for.
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I asked Shuan about that before i ordered the EX1 he said no way could they make it for that price. SO they just carry the EX1 |
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Here is my ex-1 after 24 hours! Seems to work much better than my octopus200 with 0 heat from the pump!
This skimmate smelled soooo bad. Amazing skimmate for such a short period of time. I plan on tuning it for a little drier skimmate. Enjoy! -Matthew |
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That is a thing of beauty!
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Matthew, that looks pretty good!
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Glad its working well for you!!!
Do you have any FTS? |
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good man keep the pump its well worth it
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Hey my skimmer came a couple days ago...my 40B is still being built so mean while i hooked the skimmer up to my 20g bucket with LR in it. I have it running with a via-aqua 1800(480gph) feed pump which is clocked back quite a bit. My problem is i'm not sure on how to dial this thing in....i read your instructions in the DAS skimmer club thread but still having issues. I usually dial it in and the collection cup fills with foam in about 20-30 minutes. I'm also not sure on what levels the bubbles should be at for wet-dry skimming. And i'm also not sure on how to measure how many GPH i'm running threw my skimmer.
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