400 gallon fowlr

[Trigger 2]

i have been reasearching salt water fish for a while and know what i want. i would like to stock it with a blue throat trigger, a niger trigger, a picasso trigger, 1 or 3 yellow tangs, 1 hippo tang, 1 powder blue tang, 1 bird wrasse, 1 harlequin tusk, 1 jewel moray, and 1 emporer angel. this sound s like a good list. i was thinking of squeezing in a porcupine puffer. it will have a 125 gallon sump and a great skimmer, what do you guys think?

[AW2EOD]

In my opinion, I'd cut down that list. Yeah, it's gonna be a 400gal. tank, but pretty much every fish you've chosen is going to get BIG.

I'd cut out 1 - 2 Yellow Tangs and the Picasso.

With you adding the Emporer Angel and possibly the Porc. Puffer, I'd also cut out the Jewled Moray. Both of those fish have a thing for picking and nipping at bottom dwelling, slow moving fish and would certainly pick on your Jeweled.

[Trigger 2]

yes i was thinking on 1 yellow tang and it seems good. if anything the picasso has to stay, i may probably will rule out the bird wrasse. i would like to have a jewel moray, and i think it should be fine if it has a lot of hiding places.

[Trigger 2]

ive seen a 210 gallon with a snowflake eel and a full grown emporer angel and triggers and they seemed fine.

[juice me man]

Originally posted by Trigger 2
ive seen a 210 gallon with a snowflake eel and a full grown emporer angel and triggers and they seemed fine.

Yes but you have ti understand each fish is different. some will leave the slow moving fish alone but most triggerS and angels wil nip at them. also the other fish will out compete the eel for food. its best to not have the eel.

i wouls also sugest those yeallow tangs to go. as there will be alot of fish that get very BIG. such as the niger, emp and porc puffer.

[Trigger 2]

i would like to have 3 tangs so they can spread out the aggresion and i might not even do the porc. any side effects of having one? if i use something so the food can reach the bottom so the eel could get it should i still get one?

[spamin76]

You can try hand feeding the eel with a stick - while you distract the other fish by dropping food at the water surface.

If you cut out the wrasse, puffer, and maybe the angel I would guess you would be fine.

The problem with the puffer is that some of the triggers may nip at it, and may harasse it. I don't think it would happen, but it is possible.

I am not sure that there is a need for three tangs "to spread out the aggression". The tank is large enough that I doubt this would be a large problem if at all.

[juice me man]

ive never heard those triggers that he has listed harrase a porc puffer spamin77.

[Trigger 2]

i think the eel would be fine with the others but im not an expert. these are the fish i must have, the niger, picasso, hippo tang, powder blue tang, harlequien tusk, emporer angel, and the blue throat trigger. fish i would like to have, bird wrasse, yellow tang, jewel moray, and a puffer.

the puffer doesnt have to be a pork. do you think i could do a sadleback puffer? i may decide to get a volitan instead of a puffer.

[Trigger 2]

meant to say sadle valetni. they seem like a better choice than a porc as they stay small. will they be okay?

[juice me man]

that volitan will get picked on byt the trigger and maybe the angel.

[Trigger 2]

im already getting a 75 gallon with 2 dwarf lions so i will rule out the volitan, how would the puffer fit in?

[spamin76]

Originally posted by juice me man
ive never heard those triggers that he has listed harrase a porc puffer spamin77.

Sometimes a picasso will pick on a porc puffer - not always, but occaisionally you will get a specimin that just goes nuts on these puffers. Does not happen often, but sometimes they will chew on the puffers' spines. It is more common in CTs, but picassos do it here and there. The others almost certainly would not.

I was really mostly advising against the porc becase they get so huge and add such large bioload to a tank - they are a skimming nightmare.

Even in a large tank they are big fish.


And it's spamin76, not spamin77

[spamin76]

Originally posted by juice me man
that volitan will get picked on byt the trigger and maybe the angel.

Probably the puffer too.

Also eels will sometimes eat lions, and could even try to eat a small puffer

[juice me man]

Originally posted by spamin76

And it's spamin76, not spamin77

sorry, 6 and 7 areclose together so i pressed the wrong one.

the small puffer may be eaten by the eel. jewel morays are fish eaters.

a porc puffer will fit nicely in a 400g tank

[spamin76]

I figured as much - but the 76 is key - it's what separates me from all the other Spamins out there

[Crusty Old Shellback]

As far as spreading out aggression, in a 400 it should not be that big of a problem.

I've currently got a 400 G w/ mated pair of Naso tangs, sailfin and valmingi tang. The femal Naso is the smallest at around 6" with the Vlamingi being the largets at 12" +. I've not seen any aggression in any of them as they have plenty of room to swim.

I've also got a pinktail trigger, foxface and hawaiian wrasse in teh tank as well. As for the picasio, I have one who now resides in the sump after he killed my red corris wrasse who was around 5" long, after I put the trigger in the tank. All of the other fish have been in the tank for several years.

[Trigger 2]

the eel seems like it may cause some problems as a fish eater. should i go with a porc or a sadle valetini, which one would go better with the fish? would an eel really eat an 8 inch long puffer? I also know that stock order is very important, i was thinking, the hipo tang, bird wrasse, emporer angel, powder blue, harlequin tusk, blue throat, yellow tang, puffer, then i will add the niger and picasso at the same time. what do you guys think?

[Trigger 2]

i would consider a dog face puffer, stars and stripes, spotted , sadle valetini, and porcupine. which one would work best? the eel is not included to the stocking list anymore. should i buy a male or female bird wrasse? can they change sex?

[spamin76]

A full size puffer should escape any risk of being eaten .

Valentinis probably could grow that big, but unless you buy a full grown one, the eel will outgrow him. I would honestly say wrasse and angel after harlequin tusk. The blue throat is not a particularly territorial, neither is the puffer.

[Trigger 2]

thanks! i dont want the eel because i love the valetini puffer. he will probably go in the beginning so he has time to grow. so i was thinking, the hippo tang, bird wrasse, harlequin tusk, valetini puffer, powder brown surgeon, emporer angel, blue throat trigger, yellow tang, and then the niger and picasso at the same time. i will change the powder blue to powder brown because i already have a couple blue ones in there already . do you guys think i really need a 400 gallon? a 300 gallon or 350 sounds good.

[Trigger 2]

i also may get the spotted puffer instead of the valentini, but that doest really matter as they get the same size.

[Trigger 2]

bump^

[Trigger 2]

bump^^. i want the bird wrasse before the tusk because they may quarell because they are both wrasses, right? the bird wrasse is more peaceful so he should go before the tusk to establish territory and grow.

[Confooseld]

I've never heard of wrasses fighting if they aren't the same species or very similar fairys