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12/13/2004, 07:26 AM
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 Guess he closed the web-site together with the tank... To bad - I cant find any pictures on nay of his treads...Please Mr.4000 - post some photos 
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12/13/2004, 09:29 AM
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WHERE IN MICHIGAN ARE YOU LOCATED?
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12/13/2004, 09:49 AM
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Mr 4000:
I remember the pictures of you setting up that tank and it was truly inspiratinal to say the least. I was heart broken when I found out you sold everything and kept no tanks because I could only imagine what that must have been like. You just don't wake up one day and decide to have a massive system system like yours was. I still can't see how you went cold turkey and kept nothing, not even the 750g tank. But I guess that only shows how depressed you were about the entire thing. I would highly encourage you to get back in the saddle and do a smaller tank maybe. Something that you can manage indoors as your humidity problem is a real one and one that I think used your particular set up to be emphasized. That I think, despite it all, was one of the good things that you taught the rest of us. Good to see you around again.
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12/13/2004, 09:59 AM
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Wow. Good to see you posting. You should definitely get back in. Jumping in to a huge tank was a ballsy move and one that most people aren't willing (or able) to do.
You should get back in with something a little more managable. Hey - a 30 gallon tank is about 4000 fluid ounces....
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12/13/2004, 12:17 PM
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Your experience with humidity issues were the driving force behind how I designed my room,even though the tank is a mere 11% the size of yours, what a sobering comparison. We were building an addition anyway, so we designed this room to be independant of the rest of the house except for the access doors above the tank and the door to the fishroom. The room has it's own temp control, it's own exhaust fan, painted with moisture barrier paint, greenboarded 100% (should have seen the inspectors face when he saw that), etc. The exhaust fan is wired to a greenhouse controller that gives me the options to set both the temp and humidity levels at which the AC comes on. I also have the added advantage of living in Las Vegas where the average humidity is somewhere around 15% and single digit humidity is not unheard of.
It's been almost a year and, so far, no issues, knock on wood. |
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12/13/2004, 12:35 PM
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12/13/2004, 12:35 PM
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Mike do you have pics of your ventilation equipment and setup?
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12/13/2004, 01:12 PM
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12/13/2004, 01:29 PM
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I think there may be some pics in my gallery of the workroom, but there isn't much to show. The AC unit is one of those "split" units and is rated for a room at least 5x the size of my fishroom. The exhaust fan is a commercial rated bathroom exhaust fan. The electricians configured it with a three-pronged plug that just plugs into the side of this unit that I got from Harry's Garden Center online. The unit just plugs into a normal outlet.
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12/13/2004, 03:24 PM
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Here are some photos from a German web-site.
If anyone can translate, please do! Thanks http://www.wasserfest.de/meerwasser/.../aquarium.php4 |
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12/13/2004, 03:34 PM
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12/13/2004, 04:24 PM
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 When I first read it, I was like, huh, bananna hammock? Because I hadn't looked at the pictures, but now that I see...that was hilarious.
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12/13/2004, 10:01 PM
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Mr4000 I read your website a long time ago and was really awed at the size of your tank. What it must be like to have that much room in a tank? Hope you don't mind, but here is a pic of your tank I used as a background for my computer years ago.
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12/14/2004, 05:27 AM
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Kudos for coming back to visit...we will get you back in this hobby yet!
Thanks for sharing your successes and failures with your large tank...there is a lot to be learned with recreating oceans in your house. Nanook 
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12/14/2004, 11:39 AM
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AquariumObsessed:
A dehumidifier is a great idea. They are cheap, consume little power, dries and cleans air and return some of the energy lost in the evaporation process. More about the humidity issue: Anybody who build large tanks should be aware of this and deal with it. It is a very simple problem to solve, but people haven't been aware of the problem. Placing a reef tank in the main airstream of a house is like turning the whole house into a sauna. Brute force approaches like using the AC and ventilation of the whole house to dry the air are clumsy and expensive in hot climates. In cold climates where you don't have AC it can be catastrophic. The solution is, as VegasMike did, to build the tank in a room that is air thight from the rest of the house. It sounds a bit difficult, but it's not. In cold climates this is part of the standard building technique anyway. In Norway it's not even legal to build an exterior wall without air sealing it completetly from the inside of the building. This is because when hot inside air enters the wall vapor condensates in the wall creating a moisture problem that makes the wall rot. The sealing is done with a special type of plastic foil that is folded up on rolls so that it is 4 meters wide. It's cheap and efficient to set up. When you build a large tank. Set up interior walls around it so that it comes in its own room. Seal the walls with plastic before plating with some water resistant material and install a separate ventilation system in the room. Thats all there is to it. The vapor must stay in the tank room. It has no buisness to do in other parts of the house.
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12/14/2004, 12:41 PM
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ok, I need some witnesses, my gf just told me it's ok to build something like that in our house. (or next to our house in a separate structure of course)
She wants a ring first, but what's a few more hundred. WOOT! |
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12/14/2004, 02:20 PM
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thanks norskfisk,
So far this is what I have done... I have statred construction in the corner of the basement. The fishroom will consist of 2 existing walls and 2 newly constructed walls. I have finished closing 3 walls so far. Each wall consists of the following layers: * 2x4 * Vapor Barrier plastic * Green moisture wallboard * Moisture resistant primer * Moisture resistant paint I figure this is the most I can do...I plan to follow the same procedure on the ceiling and 1 remaining wall. I guess my dilema now is to do woth the ventilation system. It is my next step in the construction process and I have not had experience with such a large system. I have purchased a 70 pint de-humidiifer and will run that in the room. Currently I am torn between getting an HRV or just a large exhaust fan or both??? Which models should I buy? CFM?? How big a return vent do I need?? Wont this cool the room alot in the winter? Thanks |
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12/14/2004, 02:25 PM
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What an inspiring photo!!!!
Mr4000, was your tank constructed of concrete? If so, how thick were the walls and how did get the acrylic to adhere to the concrete? Thanks jnfallon - I would think she won't be your gf much longr if you only spend a few hundred on the ring! 
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12/14/2004, 02:29 PM
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AquariumObsessed,
Is the vapor barrier plastic you are using a special type, or just the clear plastic that most hardware stores carry? Is the Greenboard also something that is typical at most hardware stores? Thanks |
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