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Wow too much reading for right now.. I just need someone to pop in and say how much are you dosing per volume and at what rate.
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i can not get this system to work. I have around 1050 gallons of water or so. I am up to dosing around 50ml of vodka per day. I started at 10ml I have used a whole 750ml bottle of vodka already I am seeing absolutly NO reduction. my skimmer is huge.. needle wheel dart with air pump. 22" diameter and 48" tall chamber with a 8" by 15" riser.. pulls out almost 3 gallons a day if not more now that it has kicked into a high gear after dosing vodka
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You are only using 10x what I used on a 29g, with no bloom either.
I'd say you are just now getting up to an amount that is going to start showing results. I was gettig the cheap rot-gut 750ml from Wahlgreens for $5, so get some more and consider bumping 20ml every 5 days until you see trates start going down. It works, but you've got a small swimming pool there. I wouldn't want to add a second variable, however adding a little sugar might bump things a bit. |
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thanks.. just making sure i need to ad some more...maybe i will try a little sugar as well
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Well, I'd done this before, only the stupid way. Add a teaspoon or two of vodka, and then decided throwing in a teaspoon of old Biozyme I had lying around would turbo-charge things.
It did. Watched it all day, and late in the evening for signs of bloom. Nothing. Got up in the morning to find my tank full of milk, and a couple of dead fish. Second time I tried it, I started at 2mls because I'd read some people had started at 5-10mls with a similar size tank. Knew it would take a while, so didn't bother testing except once after a week with no change. Just added before work and forgot about it every day. Ever 2-3 days I would go up .25 mls. I finally decided to check after about 3-4 weeks, almost forgot why I was doing it, just did it. I was up around 5-5.5mls, and had 0 nitrates. Took a closer look at the tank and really noticed a lot more pods, and all sorts of other fauna in the tank. Only had softies, and they were all looking pretty great for being under PC's. For a while I kept it at that dose, and then decided to go for broke. Not sure how high I actually went, would have to check my posts from a couple of years ago. I think I might have gone to 11-12, not sure. Never had a bloom, and finally decided to do the reverse and see how low I had to go to still maintain 0 nitrates. Eventually got down to 1.75 or 2.5 as the maintanence dose. In all, did that for about 6 months before I got the 72g. Getting my LR, corals and fish from a buddy who's been holding them for me the past 4-5 months while some renovations have been done. Going BB, and he has been using tap water successfully for years. He;s got 2 x 250w MH, and everything is alive, but no coraline algae or real growth. But then he doesn't add anything, and I don't think he does water changes, just adds topoff. He's also got a 72g,and is giving me his canopy and lights. Gonna take a before and after pic, as my new RO membrane and filters are coming in. He's got some funky black sponges that I'm wondering if will survive. If nitrates become an issue again, I'm making a coil denitrator to test, and will fall back to vodka or maybe sugar if need be. Have a smaller 30g sump that needs to hold Octopus skimmer and pump, and don't want a tank full of live rock, skimmer won't hold much either to be effective sump. I am not going to starve my tank. Quote:
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I have a 90g tank with 30g sump. It took me 2 1/2 months to get the desired results. Took things very slow. I went the route of 1/2 a ml increase every 3 days. I also dose sugar because the original article stated about single strain of bacteria (mono-culture) which I'm not to sure if that's a bad thing. Water is crystal clear. Only bad thing that happened is a mushroom rock melted, everything else is thriving.
I dose 6 ml a day now with sugar and the tank is crytstal clear. I have the doesage dialed in perfect. |
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Yeah, I agree with the article. Having a monoculture is putting all your eggs in one basket. Ideally, I'd rather have more live rock or even something like bioblox for more bacterial colonization if I had the space.
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i use zeovit's zeobac bacterial culture every so often to try and prevent monoculture.
it's relatively cheap and is easy to use!
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so hum.. 50ml of vodka.. and how much sugar...
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Im going to get back on the ethanol for a bit... but this time, I will only dose 1/2 what I was before... maybe then the tank can sustain doing this in the long run, rather than just getting 'stripped' and running out of nutrients to even be of use.
So Ill try only 3ml daily for my 150g of tank. See what happens.
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i think i need something else.. they are not dropping and using 50ml of vodka.. how much sugar should i use to aid the vodka..
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Black71gp,
It took me a while to get it going too. I had to go on a buisness trip to Texas for 4 months and when I got back my nitrates were at 25ppm. I replaced the GFO and had it running for about a week before I started using everclear. I started dosing 5ml of everclear per 100 gallons of water. I also dosed some prodibo biodigest. After 2 weeks I noticed no drop in NO3. I discontinued the GFO for 2 days and then measured the Nitrates at 10 ppm. I hooked the GFO up again and the NO3 remained at 10 until I took it off line again a week later. It then quickly dropped to ~0.2. Now I dose 2ml of everclear per 100 gallons as a maintenance dose. BTW I never had a bloom.
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Black71gp,
You need to give it a bit more time. I'd reverse myself and say keep dosing at current, and go up 5ml every 4-5 days. Just stop testing for a week, and continue with the protocol. After a week, test. If no change, do the same for another week. I am assuming you have a known good test kitake a current sample, replace 1/2 with ro water, and see if kit shows 50% drop. I would not add sugar at this time, as you will add another variable to the equation. You've got a giant tank, and I expect it will take a bit longer than the person with the normal 100-200g tank. |
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lol.. ok thanks its been a little over a month of dosing now.. i have checked my test kit with two other kits, and on RO water.. I guess i will just keep dosing away
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How do anemones fare with dosing vodka?
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As long as they can walk straight I think they are OK.
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mine are so far fine and still huge.. all BTA's
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so to add vodka you need to be running a skimmer?
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Yes. The idea is that the ethanol will provide acarbon source for bacteria who will consume it and dissoved nitrogenous waste. The bacteria in turn are removed by the skimmer much more easily than the dissoved organic material.
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and YES a HUGE skimmer is needed for vodka.. from what i have read and been told.
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just wondering,
can this method remove/lessen considerable amounts of metals present in the tank water? as compared with just using a skimmer? any inputs, opinions? thanks.
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It might help export metals a bit, as can growing macroalgae. But the effect is not nearly as strong as for nutrients which the bacteria need to build their new bodies.
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