Bubbleking vs ATIvsDeltec

[redbug1]

I am trying to upgrade from a deltec APF 600 to either
Deltec 701
Bubbleking 200 mini
ATI 250
I have a heavly stocked 150 with fish and SPS. I have recently aded more fish and I think 600 is to small. Suggestions and comments would be appreicated..

[hahnmeister]

Heck... add H&S and ATB in there too why dont ya?

[redbug1]

Thanks for the help..

[jimdogg187]

If you want an external/RC skimmer I would recommend an H&S A200-1260 or Euro-Reef RC250. I'm not a big fan of the new BK mini (just my opinion), and feel that you get a better product from H&S and ER (just my opinion).

Others will say differently because of different experiences

In the end, its all going to be a matter of what you like/want, and what you value.

Cheers,

Jim

[mavgi]

redbug1 :

from your list the ATI 250 will out perform the bk mini and the deltec 701 also the H&S and the RC250 and if i am not worng cost cheaper to.

as quality build the other build better .

i know that Jason from SWC bring soon new skimmers that will run the Sicce pump to and the price even will be cheaper then the ATI and i believe it will perform almost the same (can't be sure since this skimmer not preview or test yet ) ...... but i suggest if you can to wait because soon those skimmer will be preview here in RC.

[sjm817]

Of those 3, the BM250 is the most powerful skimmer, but may be on the large side. What is the total system size, and how heavily stocked is it?

[Buddyboy]

Go with the H&S!

[USC-fan]

i would get a recirc skimmer. The H&S A200-1260 should work well.

[sjm817]

The A200 is a very nice skimmer, but is $1300 and the $770 BM250 will perfom better.

[USC-fan]

will perform better on a 150 gal tank? Not sure about that....

[sjm817]

It is a much more powerful skimmer than an A200. I asked earlier for more details on total size and bio load. Mavgi runs one on a heavily stocked 150G (120g?) and it skims like a beast. There is also the BM200 for $550 which would do very well. I'd rate that under the A200, more along the lines of the AP701, but its 1/2 the price of the A200.

[CruzinKim]

Originally posted by redbug1
I have a heavly stocked 150 with fish and SPS. I have recently aded more fish and I think 600 is to small.

Yes, I agree, the AP600 is too small. Surprise you didn't have problems earlier as I think that skimmer shouldn't be on any tank bigger than 75g.

I would suggest the BM200 $549 instead of BM250 $769 for your 150g heavy. Save yourself a little money and spend on something else. The ATi skimmers has a 10% price increase at the end of the month. Also, the BM200 is the equivalent in sump model to the Deltec AP701 recirculating model and I've read that they have similar performance.

Are you choosing all short skimmers for a particular reason, do you have limited space underneath your tank?

[mavgi]

Originally posted by USC-fan
will perform better on a 150 gal tank? Not sure about that....

sjm817 right i run in the past the BM250 on my 120 gallon tank and it was performing great , i don't know how heavy bio load redbug1 have in his system but i have 17 big fish ( tangs ,angels wrasses ....) and i feed very heavy to , 2 time a day .

The BM250 perform very well and can handle easy twice that size of tank .

today i run on my tank modify CS250 that skim like a nuts but can't come close to the BM250 and i use to with external aqua clear 110 power filter to keep the system clean....

[tony varrell]

Thanks for the comments. Espically for bring H&S to my attention. I have norrowed it down to BM250 or H&S 200/1260. I do not want to chance the 200 with the aquabee pumps. They are problematic. That is what is on my 600 deltec.It is riducalous that we should have to purchase expensive equipment again because of wrong advise. I should not have listened to doug at Deltec I guess. The AP600 is much to small for a heavily stocked 150. I have a height issue 24 inches that elimates some other skimmers.
Please comment between to two. Thanks..

[Reef Sponger]

I don't think you need a BM250, the BM200 is plenty, even with heavy bioload and/or heavy feedings. The BM200 is equivalent to the H&S 200-1260, so make the comparison between these two. I own the next size down in both skimmer companies, the H&S A150 on a 180g and a BM160 on a 75g. Both skimmers are excellent performers, so you won't be disappointed there. My personal choice would be H&S all the time because I just love the way the skimmer is built, it's solid. I like looking at good equipment and the confidence that it is built well, but that is just personal preference. So, for you, your decision should be BM200 $549 ($599 very soon, like next day or so) or H&S 200 $999. Is it worth $400 more for built quality and one extra year warranty (H&S 2 year warranty). Also, the replacement pump on the BM200 is 1/2 the price of the H&S Eheim.

Just a thought that might eliminate the H&S, you may need 24.5" clearance to remove the collection cup easily. With only 24" clearance, the collection might rib tightly against the top inside of your tank stand and that could feel like old news after awhile and removing and reinstalling the cup. You have to take into consider 1/4" - 1/2" for the sump bottom.

[gcarroll]

I agree Reef Sponger that the BM250 is not comparable to the H&S 200-1260. The BM200 is a more fair comparison.

That being said. I would go with the BM250. I always feel that it is better to go with more than take a chance on not having enough skimming ability.

[USC-fan]

I would go with the H&S A200-1260. This is just a bigger version of the deltec you already have. If you can't fit the H&S then get the Deltec AP 701.

I don't think you will like going from a recirc skimmer to a in-sump skimmer. The recirc are just so much more plug and play. Also if you don't have a constant water level in your sump then don't get the ATI at all.

[redbug1]

Thanks, Is the bm 200 significiantly more powerful then the APF 600 from Deltec. I don't want to buy a third skimmer?? Any thought on nitrate reactors??

[redbug1]

IS the mesh design on the BM 200 a hassel to deal with. Expansion and coming off the impellor?

[Lumamae]

Originally posted by redbug1
Thanks, Is the bm 200 significiantly more powerful then the APF 600 from Deltec. I don't want to buy a third skimmer?? Any thought on nitrate reactors??

Yes, it's like comparing the AP701 to AP600. I would look at the H&S denitrators instead, maintenance free for almost 2 years with no daily feedings.

[McCrary]

I have been thinking about getting a sulfur nitrate reactor and will probably go with the smaller H&S model from finsreef.com

[2farNorth]

Did you ever consider a custom one from Orca Systems? (protein-skimmer.com) He can build on that could outperform any of the ones you listed... especially for the price!!

[sjm817]

Running a non recirc skimmer is not at all difficult. I've run both and dont find the in sump any more difficult than recirc. In addition, you dont need the feed pump or overflow feed setup. In sump requires a constant water level which is very easy to do. Other than that, its plug and play.

[RedEyeReef]

Where can you get H&S skimmers?

[Flint&Eric]

why get a sulfur denitrator when you can you just run a RDSB with the same results? have a custom RDSB tank built plumb it and call it a day...never needs any feedings or work.