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| I would use it in my main reef tank if it were safe. |
   
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743 | 79.64% |
| I would use it in a frag grow out tank or coral farm, but not my main reef. |
  
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125 | 13.40% |
| I would not use it at all because I do not want to increase growth rates. |
  
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32 | 3.43% |
| I would not use it at all because I do not want to add anything artificial to my systems. |
  
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33 | 3.54% |
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#1
06/13/2004, 12:22 PM
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Interest in doubling the growth rate of corals?
I'm trying to gauge commercial interest in a potential new product.
This product would be something that you add to a reef aquarium, frag grow out tank, or coral farm. Suppose for this poll that it doubled (or more) the growth rate of the hard corals in your aquarium (especially SPS). Also suppose that it doubles the growth rate of coralline algae, but does not impact the growth rate of noncalcifying organisms (like green algae, diatoms, etc). It would be a discrete organic molecule that worked by a mechanism of action identified on the bottle. It would not be a concoction of different organic or inorganic compounds, and it is not a food. Thanks in advance for your input.
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06/13/2004, 12:30 PM
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Alright.... I feel like a noob again. What's up, Randy?
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06/13/2004, 12:31 PM
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Seriously, if such a product is/will be available, what possible detrimental effects would/could it have on other organisms in the reef?
And what time frame for availability? Thanks, Sean
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06/13/2004, 12:34 PM
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It's not ready for prime time yet. I just want to gauge if it is worth pursuing.
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06/13/2004, 12:37 PM
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At the rate that my corals are growing, I would love to them a boost!
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06/13/2004, 12:38 PM
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In our hobby...hell yeah!!! Did you suddenly have an epipheny on something that may work or have you been pondering thi for awhile now?
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06/13/2004, 12:39 PM
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Re: Interest in doubling the growth rate of corals?
Show me a reefer that wouldn't and I'll show you a liar
.Growth = $
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06/13/2004, 12:45 PM
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Re: Re: Interest in doubling the growth rate of corals?
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To them... growth = (-)$
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06/13/2004, 12:53 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Interest in doubling the growth rate of corals?
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06/13/2004, 12:56 PM
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I realize that.
I was commenting that vendors would not like to see this. 
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06/13/2004, 01:13 PM
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It would very radically affect aquaculture, esp in the states .... which to me would/could radically alter the hobby in a good way.
If you can make it more feasible to grow and sell SPS by aquarists ... that would be a huge benefit to the hobby, hopefully reducing collection of at least some species. 
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06/13/2004, 01:26 PM
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i am guessing this substance would basically turn the calcification gene on and into overdrive? Or block the transduction pathway that tells the photosynthetic cells when they have had enough light and its time to turn off???
Randy you want to give everyone's corals on steroids? LOL... i personaly dont see a problem, as long as use of the product doesnt lead to genetic problems with the coral down the line after extended use. Just a guess... Because you specification that it had no inorganic components leads me to believe that it is not a fertalizer, at least in the classical sence of the word
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06/13/2004, 01:26 PM
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That is soooo not nice Randy
 This is worse than that woman I was dating when we went to a drive in movie...bah nevermind this is a family board Give it up! we are ready for it.
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06/13/2004, 01:44 PM
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Randy, Sounds like one heck of a product. How long do you think it would take to get into the testing of this product? Months, years, or who knows? Keep us informed if you decide to pursue |
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06/13/2004, 02:00 PM
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Thanks for the input, everyone.
It should not take too long to see if, in fact, it is safe enough for a reef aquarium (as opposed to a frag tank with many fewer organisms to worry about), that it does, in fact, increase calcification and growth rates, and whether there are undesirable effects (like the brittle branches mentioned above). I'd be quite happy to describe it in detail, and eventually will (even if it fails), but I'm still undecided on whether it is worth patenting, and so do not want to say anything specific about it yet.
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06/13/2004, 02:14 PM
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Didn't have the option to vote this way, but I'd have to say "Definately Maybe" in my case. I'm growing out lotsa frags in my main tank that will eventually become my centerpieces. I'd want to know HOW they grew (ie; how they looked; formed differently) from time-lapsed photos of people who've tried it. I wouldn't want to try it if it caused the growth to appear "freakish" or unnatural or had long-term side effects.
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06/13/2004, 02:21 PM
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Even if just for frag setups, you could help a lot of us out
I'd like to think I can reasonably pay my bills via frags other than softies. But SPS growout time is mightly slow ... meaning expensive.
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06/13/2004, 02:26 PM
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I gotta hear what this one is...I hate snake oil and "magic fairy dust" additives...but trust Randy wholeheartedly so this should be interesting.
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06/13/2004, 02:32 PM
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Patents are always worth getting!
At least, that's what my wife tells her clients FWIW, I'd try it out. I mean, I'm willing to pour a liquid with a pH of 12 into my tank. I wonder what Chemical X would do to other critters that use calcium, like snails 'n' clams ... Good luck! |
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06/13/2004, 03:15 PM
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I wouldnt mind it at all. In fact I think it would really help the environment in terms of less corals collected perhaps (if the product took off in a big way). I mean more poeple would buy frags if growth can be achieved at a faster rate. Even if it didnt double the growth rate, as long as it helps push the growth rate for a given setup, I would be more than willing to buy it.
I say go for it Randy. Just dont sell the product/idea to D£LT£C.
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06/13/2004, 03:21 PM
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Randy:
Sounds interesting.  I did not vote because the "if" did not cover my first thoughts. I'm pretty sure that if it is something novel, works and is safe without side effects on the long term it should be considered to be patented or at least the ingredients kept secret and be masked. There are too many copycats in this business. 
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