DIY Red Dragon Pumps, gathering ideas. - Page 16

mavgi · #**376** 05/05/2007, 09:39 PM

Mike

are you goint to try it on the big skimmer ?

it's look like a great result and the foam awesome on the big garbage can very thick .

i want to see it on the "bubble monster"

smjtkj · #**377** 05/05/2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by mavgi
Mike

are you goint to try it on the big skimmer ?

it's look like a great result and the foam awesome on the big garbage can very thick .

i want to see it on the "bubble monster"

I want to, but it is going to be some work. The skimmer is plumbed for 1 1/2 inch and the plumbing is only 1 inch on the Laguna. It did produce a great foam in very little time. I added about 1/2 cup skimmate to the 25 gallons of saltwater. I am going to try to get it done!

Mike

mavgi · #**378** 05/05/2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by smjtkj
That Matala won't come close to fitting without a new larger custom volute!
Again! Anyone want to CNC parts???!!!!

As it's look the matala will not perform good as the PF4 , it will increase the watt of the pump to much and reduce the air LPM .

you pull now 50LPM= 3060LPH it's great result and i don't believe you will get it with the metala , you can make other test try to cut from the matala half size from the thickness to see how this material perform compare to the PF4.

smjtkj · #**379** 05/05/2007, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by mavgi
As it's look the matala will not perform good as the PF4 , it will increase the watt of the pump to much and reduce the air LPM .

you pull now 50LPM= 3060LPH it's great result and i don't believe you will get it with the metala , you can make other test try to cut from the matala half size from the thickness to see how this material perform compare to the PF4.

You know I would almost be willing to say that the pump is doing
at least 15-20% more than I can measure. When I put the air meter on the pump it raises the wattage by about 15 watts. More air equals less wattage. It has the 3/4 in hose pretty loud sucking air. When restricted with the meter, the Dwyer literally whistles and the water level drops a bit.
Mike

mavgi · #**380** 05/05/2007, 11:07 PM

i need to check the size of the pump compare to the RD 6500 liter , i want to know if the pump high the same i thinking to order now the ATB big skimmer i am waiting for some answer.....

but this is the skimmer ( 30" high - 17" base):

smjtkj · #**381** 05/05/2007, 11:25 PM

When are you getting it? I think this pump will fit it. It looks like a 1 inch inlet on the bubble diffuser pan.

mavgi · #**382** 05/05/2007, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by smjtkj
When are you getting it? I think this pump will fit it. It looks like a 1 inch inlet on the bubble diffuser pan.

http://www.aquariumtechnik.at/kegelabschaeumer.html

already talk with the owner Anton Burian just waiting for answer , in the original it's come with the RD6500liter he can supply the RD 110volt but i think the laguna 5000 will be better need to check more ....

hahnmeister · #**383** 05/06/2007, 12:04 AM

Hah... whaddya know... the idea worked. Lol. Better than expected too. I mean, sure, well have to see how these things wear over time, but even if the shafts break every year or something... its still a deal.

I dont know that a custom volute would be of any improvement, as the asymetric design and contoured interior of the Laguna is a good design as is, and if smjtkj will do me a favor of measuring the interior diameter of the volute... that may be all we need.

mavgi · #**384** 05/06/2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by hahnmeister
Hah... whaddya know... the idea worked. Lol. Better than expected too. I mean, sure, well have to see how these things wear over time, but even if the shafts break every year or something... its still a deal.

I dont know that a custom volute would be of any improvement, as the asymetric design and contoured interior of the Laguna is a good design as is, and if smjtkj will do me a favor of measuring the interior diameter of the volute... that may be all we need.

you know it's very interesting when i look on the BLACK BOX BK clone by AQUA-EXCEL it's look like the use same pump who knows , they told me it's will be available here in about 3 month .

http://www.aquaexcel.cn/En_Product_new.asp

quangtam7 · #**385** 05/06/2007, 02:12 AM

Ime, one different between stock volute and large diy volute is the noise. With stock volute, when the pump is used externally you can hear the noise within it, while large volute is almost silent.

hahnmeister · #**386** 05/06/2007, 02:16 AM

If its due to size rather than material thickness, then the 2400/2905 versions with the larger volutes might not have the noise problem either.

smjtkj · #**387** 05/06/2007, 07:52 AM

It is under water right now, but the 2400 is silent. Now the air intake hose is something different! Maybe it is the larger volute
that helps. Quangtam, I know you have shown pics, but I would like a list of materials used for the volute you made.
Thanks in advance!
Mike

h20cooled · #**388** 05/06/2007, 10:02 AM

Not sure where you are buying the Max-Flo 2400's but I found that they are on sale at Foster & Smith.

Also wanted to ask if anyone has see these pumps, I found them on the same site and they look to have a nice large volute. They are the HY-Drive Waterfall Pumps. The smallest one is rated for 3,250 gph @ 150w.

smjtkj · #**389** 05/06/2007, 10:38 AM

Yes, I saw those, but the wattage is a little better on the Lagunas.
The volute is nice and large though.

h20cooled · #**390** 05/06/2007, 10:43 AM

Yeah the wattage is not as good and the pump is larger too.

Where did you get your 2400

smjtkj · #**391** 05/06/2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by smjtkj
Yes, I saw those, but the wattage is a little better on the Lagunas. I was noticing that on the pondmaster site it shows 180 watts on the small one.
The volute is nice and large though.

smjtkj · #**392** 05/06/2007, 10:51 AM

I got it from a guy on ebay. It was 129.00 plus 12.00 shipping.

Creetin · #**393** 05/06/2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally posted by hahnmeister
If its due to size rather than material thickness, then the 2400/2905 versions with the larger volutes might not have the noise problem either.

No niose from the 2905. I think i can crank her up some more with a bigger pad, I post some results tonight with a vid.
smkj can you get a pic of your custom venturi?
TIA

smjtkj · #**394** 05/06/2007, 11:05 AM

Look at the second pic. Just a 3/4 barb cut at an angle.

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Originally posted by smjtkj
Well, I just tinkered a bit with the pump and venturi and I am at 86 watts at the bottom of the trash can! I am still pulling
100 scfh. or better I say better because of the huge restriction I am putting on the air flow with this meter. Hahn, by the way, it appears that the 5000 is 1250 gph stock and 85 watts. I may be wrong but I think a pump that much smaller with the original volute will have trouble getting 100 scfh.

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kroe · #**395** 05/06/2007, 11:33 AM

Does anyone have a max-flo 900? The 2400 is nice, but I don't thnk my modified NW-200 has any hope of handling 100 scfh! I am interested in modding a 900 with hopes of getting 60 scfh @ <40 watts. Is the volute large like it is on the 2400?

Anyone have pictures of a max-flo 900 so we can assess it's potential for being a smaller DIY red dragon?

dudedudedude · #**396** 05/06/2007, 12:00 PM

Hey guys, I havent done it yet, but I think if you take a 3 inch PVC coupler and cut it down so that the ring of pvc in the center is where the O- ring is around the base of the laguna pump, it will be snugg, at least on a 5000, and is an easy PVC shroud that can be used for preliminary tests without having to go CNC yet. Will post pics when I get mine done

dudedudedude · #**397** 05/06/2007, 12:01 PM

kroe,
I dont thing that the Max flow has a floating impeller, ie it has a shaft that goes all the way through so it will be harder to make a customized impeller shroud

smjtkj · #**398** 05/06/2007, 12:02 PM

Cool dudedudedude! I will be watching.

spykes · #**399** 05/06/2007, 12:03 PM

hmm i should mod my 5000 tonight. So we just use a dremel and slowly cut away from the center until the brass tension ring is off. Do we keep the original plate or do we replace it with a disk the same size?

Creetin · #**400** 05/06/2007, 12:06 PM

Oh thanks, I missed a whole page. LOL
Thats a cool pic of the garbage can skimmer! Now to build a 3 ft tall by 2 foot in diameter skimmer with a 9 inch neck. LOL These pumps are the shiz, Glad That sweedish guy pointed us to these pumps a few mos ago! These pumps will blow the cups off many skimmers.