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Whats your definition of works. Advil works on a headache, but won't do much for vomitting.. While cooking your rock may be benificial for some situtations, I really don't see how it will promote coraline growth at all. See in my mind if your thinking of cooking your rock you got serious issues and have exhausted all other possable solutions and need to start over. I see this suggested to people who have DIATOM BLOOMS... Thats just wrong... I'm not ripping on anybody but there seems to be a cult following around here on certian subjects which may easily lead alot of NEWBIE reefers down a discouraging road..... OFF THE PODIUM. |
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Why does everyone get so worked up about this? Personally I don't know that I believe in the "theory" of cooking, but I've been doing it to some MI and Buna Branch I picked up a few months ago and its quite incredible. I test for po4 with a D/Merck kit every few days and its amazing to see the po4 slowly diminish. I started with the high range Salifert kit, now I need a low range kit. Also the crap on the bottom of the bin gets less and less every time. The rock get shinier and shinier.
Again, I don't know that I believe in the "layer" theory, but the constant shaking and water changes will get your rock to the point where its so damn clean its amazing. Take a look at cidory's, weatherman's (or is it weatherson) and many others who have tried this, then do it yourself with a few pieces out of your tank. You WILL want to do the rest of your rock. (and now i'm unsubscribing )
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Suck that old sand out with your upcoming large water changes. That should solve the sand problem and help the algae problem. Add some of your rock to seed the coraline growth and be patient.
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What I would suggest is that you put your rock back in the tank after you've cooked it and then yank it out after six months. You'll find that the water in your cooking bin tests just the same as it did when you started the first time. Long story short--you've spent months on getting stuff out that will just go right back in unless there is no life in your tank, and along the way you've killed off a lot of stuff on your live rock. You could have solved any algae issues with good old fashioned husbandry. |
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What sand PROBLEM? He said it was brown...DIATOMS ANYONE.. sounds like the tank is just going through its cycle to me. They will go away. |
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Damn, I didn't unsubscribe in time.
Bottom line is I have cured live rock many, many times. This time I had the luxury of time since I'm waiting for a new tank. So I thought I'd try it. I have cured LR for this long before and the rock was not this clean. I know husbandry very well. I have never had algae issues, ever. Why would "good old fashioned husbandry" not start with as clean LR as possible? I don't feel the need to start this tank with anything less than the best. Anyway, its not applicable to everyone and I doubt I'd have the patience to pull all LR out of an existing tank and run it thru the process. I just had the luxury of time this go around. Carry on with your mission to rid the world of cleaning their rock in an effective manner. More power to ya. "unsubscribed" for good
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Fliger,
In that situation I would have done the same. Its not an issue with doing it. The issue that has come about is that more and more this has become the answer to every problem. There is siyuations where cooking or recurring is the best answer, but to just tell everyone regardless of the problem to cook thier rocks is obsurd. |
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It's like Frik and Frak..... Looks like the two of them follow each other around when it comes to this issue....
Cooking LR would be a good thing to do if you've got old nasty LR and you want to "start over" with it but a "good" cleaning will do just as well.... I've used the process myself "to a point" and by that I mean that I cured the LR in total darkness for about three weeks to kill off the algae that had taken it over the first time I had it in the tank.... But I believe what also helped was washing it off about every week and putting it in new fresh SW and then back into the darkness ( with a powerhead running in the vat )..... I set the tank up again and I never had any algae or a diatom bloom and it's still very clean and the coraline is growing back on it just fine..... Phosphates ( I believe ) are something that "bleeds" out of the LR due to all the stuff that's gotten into the deep pores of the rock itself and I think that's why "cooking" seems to work .... But I will tell you something else.... If I've purchased cured "or" uncurred LR from ANY vendor, the last thing I would want to do is kill it by cooking it..... I personally like all of the life that comes on "live rock"... You can deal with phosphates by doing water changes and by running phosban or something similar in a reactor designed for that purpose..... Diatom blooms are a fact of the cycle period ( for most of us ).... What I would suggest is to let the tank run... Keep what's in it ( but perhaps replace the sand with new ) and keep doing water changes .... Also, keep just your actinic lamps running, that will help promote coraline growth and reduce algae and cyano growth... Bob
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He said the sand looked like it was caked full of old detritus from the prior owners tank. I think it's a good idea to periodically rotate/replace a portion of your sand anyway. Unless you're subscribing to deep sand bed philosophy,which I know nothing about.
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If your are going to switch out your sandbed this weekend is it possible for you to take before and after pics so we can see the results of this change during the next few months? If it works well it would save alot of people from listening to these people bicker anymore. Plus I would like to know how this works out for you, it could save alot of people from cooking their rock win their is no need.... Just trying to make the bitter people laugh....
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Fliger, how exactly are you suggesting he clean the rock, by shaking it in clean water and doing water changes.?
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Just a reminder to keep this thread going in a positive way.
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I don't need to supply you with evidence or anything else for that matter. If you want evidence, ask the dozens of reefers who have done it. Oh wait, they testify to it daily but strangely that is not good enough for youor certain other individualys here? So, with that in mind, no "evidence" will be enough. Want pics of my tank? Not much to see after the heating episode. But here are some updated pics of my sump area. http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...hreadid=705474 Go to page 15 to see them.
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Thats an awefull mess sean. Sory for your loss
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agree w/Sean on the cooking process. It does work - the proof is in the bottom of the dunking containers.
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ok can sombody clear up "cooking rock" 4 me please, never hear this term before..?
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Taken from the "How to go Barebottom thread." But remember, you do not need to run a barebottom tank to benefit from rock "cooking". hth, Sean
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And actually, in the long run it WILL help with coraline.
"Cooking" rocks removes phosphates. Phosphates inhibit calcification. Less phosphates = easier coraline growth.
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Removing a saturated sandbed wil also help coraline growth.
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Wow Sean T,,
So much for trying to get some empirical evidence asked for nicely!!! I was sorry to hear about the tank meltdown, it wasn't a thread that I had followed. However, I still have not seen any tanks with cooked rock after say six months in "use" which is what I was hoping to see. Here's why: I have a 120 with about 100 lbs of cooked rock which I purchased on RC, in there , and perhaps 50 lbs that came from another tank without cooking. After two months I have good coraline growth on the sides of the tank, and on the older rock, however the cooked rock still looks as sterile as pumice, and not at all attractive. So what does this stuff look like with some months on it? I have also read of aggressive algaes taking over on cooked rock in lack of competition from more benign species. That would be a concern. Any one have any experience of that. |
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I don't remember Sean saying initially that cooking rock with directly promote corraline growth - but just above he states how it will affect it directly.
Sean is very helpful and always willing to discuss things. There are those detractors out there that only serve to disagree. I don't see where they offered helpful advice in this thread. The rock is likely loaded with crap - literally and figuratively. If this was rock fresh from the ocean loaded with life it might be different. You'll only encounter more obstacles in the long run if you don't start out with the best possible chances... In this case - rock cooking is a great way to clean up the rock. Good corraline growth will come with good husbandry skills.
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you do realize that the moment you add fish, food, anything to the tank the rock starts sucking up phosphates agian.. Yes you are starting with clean rock but its just a matter of time before its right back where it was that made you cook it. Are you gonna cook it agian. But once agian the point was he has waited 2 months and no coraline progress, came here looking for an solution he could jump start it with and got COOK YOUR ROCK (which means wait about 3 more months for coraline growth)...LOL great advice. |
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