who runs phosphate remover? lets poll - Page 3

hyperfocal · #51 12/20/2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by PSam
Use too much GFO and you can shock the system with a sudden drop in PO4. Should be gradual, like any changes.

Thanks for the info -- the only negative I've seen is a slowdown in my chaeto growth, but I'll definitely be keeping an eye on the coral.

Purple Haze · #52 12/20/2007, 11:59 PM

I'm planning on receiving mine this coming Tuesday. It's something nice to have just in case.

Don't have a algae problem, per se, but have to clean my glass about three times a week.

I'll experiment with 5-10 grams and post my results. Additionally, i'll keep an eye on color.

sin05_omar · #53 12/21/2007, 04:14 AM

I run Rowaphos... nOt exactly in a reactor... Its just a tall chamber in which i placed the output of my chiller to... * the chamber must be of certain height else you will get rown all over your sump...At least it is dancing around....

StrategicReef · #54 12/21/2007, 09:06 AM

I just finished the regular phosar, got the HC version now.
Since I run it in the same reactor as the carbon is it a waste to change it out every month?

Also how much flow do you run it through the reactor? Now I run it so it's the stream is like 1/2 of the 1/2" ID hose.. I was running like leaky slow before and sometimes it would stop due to air bubbles etc. I have a bit of recirc going on so maybe faster flow is ok now?

hyperfocal · #55 12/21/2007, 09:19 AM

Here's an interesting article on carbon use.

GFO should last longer than a month (3 or more...) so yes, monthly changes are quite wasteful.

Kip · #56 12/21/2007, 09:39 AM

i do monthly changes because the filter pad in the reactor usually needs to be cleaned by then... and... thats why i dont use but about 10-12 tbspn at a time

i didnt read the article on carbon use.... but i wouldnt run carbon in a GFO reactor. GFO is meant to be fluidized and carbon is meant to have the water forced through it.... you cant accomplish both in a GFO reactor (unless you set up stacked chambers... the way berger detailed years ago)

TA · #57 12/21/2007, 09:56 AM

For those of you who have used phosar.....is phosar HC worth the extra cost compared to phosar?

500 gm phosar~ $24
400 gm phosar HC ~ $38

Hendersonracing · #58 12/21/2007, 12:10 PM

so is the phosphar HC that much better than the rest or just last longer???

Hendersonracing · #59 12/21/2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by Kip
i do monthly changes because the filter pad in the reactor usually needs to be cleaned by then... and... thats why i dont use but about 10-12 tbspn at a time

i didnt read the article on carbon use.... but i wouldnt run carbon in a GFO reactor. GFO is meant to be fluidized and carbon is meant to have the water forced through it.... you cant accomplish both in a GFO reactor (unless you set up stacked chambers... the way berger detailed years ago)

I have always ran carbon through a reactor??should I just put it in a filter sock? just seems that if ran through a reactor it will be more beneficial beacuse all the water has a chance to go through the carbon?

StrategicReef · #60 12/21/2007, 12:18 PM

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i didnt read the article on carbon use.... but i wouldnt run carbon in a GFO reactor. GFO is meant to be fluidized and carbon is meant to have the water forced through it.... you cant accomplish both in a GFO reactor (unless you set up stacked chambers... the way berger detailed years ago)

Fluidized and water forced through what is the difference?
I have used carbon in the reactor on it's own but also GFO on top and they both did their job.

Kip · #61 12/21/2007, 03:52 PM

carbon works by the water passing thru the pores in the media....
i learned this from brian ferguson (Fergy)

GFO works by surface contact... you fluidize GFO to maximize surface contact and keep it from clumping

carbon should be packed in some kinda filter, canister, etc so that the water has to go thru it... not just around it

what i learned from berger is that you can use both in the same reactor, but you have to seperate them... fluidize the GFO at the bottom and then sandwich some carbon b/w foam pieces at the top. helps with a coupla things... allows you to use carbon in the same chamber and will help with GFO micro-particles that could escape the chamber and cause trouble in the tank

i have a picture around here somewhere of what he was talking about... i made it so i could explain it to others after i learned it from him

Kip · #62 12/21/2007, 03:54 PM

here we go

Hendersonracing · #63 12/21/2007, 04:04 PM

That sounds good....Ill give it a shot!!! The only problem is I use the carbon on full flow & they say use the GFO at a slow flow??

I guess It really don't matter how much comes out with the carbon?

Kip · #64 12/21/2007, 04:08 PM

slow flow is better for carbon too

Yinger · #65 12/21/2007, 07:13 PM

I've been using Phosar for quite some time now and its always kept the tank around .03 (hanna colorimeter) or even less sometimes. Tried a few other brands like rowa and phosban, but end up always going back to the phosar because of the price and longevity.

kurplunk · #66 12/21/2007, 07:48 PM

Yinger thanks for the advice. Cute dog, i bet u take it everywhere with u.

Hendersonracing · #67 12/22/2007, 10:15 AM

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Originally posted by Yinger
I've been using Phosar for quite some time now and its always kept the tank around .03 (hanna colorimeter) or even less sometimes. Tried a few other brands like rowa and phosban, but end up always going back to the phosar because of the price and longevity.

Were is the best place to get this?

reef / aholic · #68 12/22/2007, 11:59 AM

One of the best out right now and the following information is from Warner Marine Research website.

Warner Marine Research PHOSaR HC - is a new unique Phosphate Removing media that offers several advantages over competing products. PHOSaR HC is dense, durable and has a very high capacity for Phosphates, Arsenic and Silicates. PHOSaR HC is a granulated media that works BEST in a reactor or canister. PHOSaR HC has been tested to last in excess of 10 weeks in an aquarium. Since PHOSaR HC is nearly 2X more dense than competing media it is only neccessary to use about 1/2 the volume of
other medias.

Hendersonracing · #69 12/22/2007, 12:00 PM

I also read were kalkwesser will lower phosphates

http://saltaquarium.about.com/cs/pho...a/aa060398.htm

TealF · #70 12/22/2007, 07:14 PM

Is there any effect on the PH or ALK, by using any of these more popular products ?

burton14e7 · #71 12/22/2007, 07:38 PM

I use warner marine PHOSar

TwistedTiger · #72 12/22/2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by reef / aholic
PHOSaR HC has been tested to last in excess of 10 weeks in an aquarium.

Tests that say how long it last are meaningless since it depends on the phosphate levels in the aquarium tested. If you put it in a tank with zero phosphate and none is ever added it should last forever but if you put it in a polluted tank with extremely high phosphate it may not last a day.

Hendersonracing · #73 12/24/2007, 08:54 AM

WERE is the best place to get the PHOSar HC???

Thanks!!!

reef / aholic · #74 12/24/2007, 10:26 AM

TwistedTiger - Just an example by the manufacture on an isolated aquarium, not saying it will last on all aquarium for 10 weeks. Just passing on information on a good product!!!

Hendersonracing · #75 12/24/2007, 11:36 AM

thanks...we will keep that in mind!!!

View Poll Results: who runs phosphate remover & what kind
I run It all the time	208	65.41%
I run it sometimes	49	15.41%
I have never used it	49	15.41%
I hate Phosphate removers because they cause problems	12	3.77%
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