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Those are some fantastic claims(no population controll, only dumb women make babies, TANG theory of earths population, the POPE speech) I'm glad that's not the way my leaders rule/lead. These theories should be left in the dark ages where they belong. LOL
I must admit however they made for some good reading.
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May I please have a link to the study to which you are baseing your fact?
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While much has been made of record-breaking thermometer readings and “unprecedented” heat waves, the average global temperature has risen by just 1°F in the past hundred years. If this doesn’t seem like much, well, it isn’t and, moreover, it has been unevenly distributed: temperatures rose from 1920-1940, decreased for the next thirty years, increased again until the mid-1990s, and have been nearly flat since 1998.
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It's also not true that temperatures leveled off in the 1990's. When the data is normalized and the impact of exceptional years like 1998 is reduced the trend is still an increase.
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Here is a quote from your link: "How many children a couple gets largely depends upon how many they want, and how many they want depends importantly upon how many they think they can support."
Look at the birthrates of developed vs undeveloped nations, it's night and day. Educated women work and want fewer children, even though they could afford them, which doesn't mesh well with the above quote. Just about every major study concludes that education (and I should include economic level) reduces birthrate. Additionally, that book focuses on countries receiving foreign aid and the results of all foreign aid (food, housing, etc), it doesn't focus on education as far as I can tell, and neither you or I can deduce much of anything from that link.
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That is not true in all cases, most if not all of these studies are based on poor underdeveloped countries that in most case have a culture that promotes child birth be it religious or governmental influence. These studies more often then do not include developed countries like the US and UK. I've seen one study that concludes women of hispanic birth will come to the US to have children. Is this caused by a lack of education? It seems to me that they were smart enough to know they would be better able to care for the children if the crossed the border. These arguments may have ment more back in the day, but now all the worlds populations are getting better educations across the board, so if women are staying dumb, it's not from a lack of education. I refuse to blame dumb women for the demise of the earth, If the men in these womens lives were a little less greedy maybe their women folk would be better prepared to castrate them at birth. Now that's how you controll a population.
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"If the men in these womens lives were a little less greedy "
greedy? like irresponsible 1 night stands and machismo pressure? there's so many mexicans at my work and so much pressure (pride, their own parents peer pressure) to have a "male" or 4-6 children that it appauls me. Then my wife works at a hospital and I get to hear about how poor/uneducated people (many races) walk in, get treated and then walk out without ever paying a bill... but that's another issue. I think education has some influence (m &&& f)... but it's not the end all. I'd really like to see government provided birth control (we pay around $37/month and know many girls in the 15-26 range that don't use any because it's too $$ every month or don't want to ask their parents). Then they get pressured with the guys not thinking beyond 5 minutes from now let alone the ramifications of irresponsibility etc. anyway... it's an endless subject. Co2 emissions are SOME of the problem. I'm just as concerned about this as I am the mercury in the oceans, trash I see in parks, runnoff into streams, the O2 deadzone in the caribbean etc. etc. if humans aren't influencing CO2 enough... they certainly are influencing other things the environment can't cope with.
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So now I'm not educated.....ok you win the prize for making an insult to win the debate. Good luck in the future with your higher form of thinking.
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"just ignorant towards some issues"
heh... maybe, maybe not. All of us choose our battles and our sides based on different facts, experiences, opinions etc. Whether either party is right or wrong, I think it's important to find a means to an end where everyone is happy. Pick religion for an example... in some ways I'm amazed we haven't blown each other up already over the "truth" =P Oh, it's also wise to keep in mind that there are usually very smart people on both sides of the fence... and to keep respect and personal opinions to ones self so that your side is listened to and treated with respect. Emotion should always be kept out first and foremost.
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I was just trying to say that if one brings too much emotion into something... the person one is trying to communicate with will stop listening and have a high potential to go into a situation where they become defensive... which is opposite the intended purpose. discussion is also different than persuasion or debate. someone can be passionate/emotional about a particular subject but when speaking to someone of the opposite stance, its use should be used sparingly. (and yes i'm very passionate about the environment - but I refuse to be radical and irrational toward non-believers) ex: father gets emotional about his daughter staying out late rather than speak to her respectfully and calmly. ex2: christian is in a muslim church speaking about christianity... not a good time to use emotion ex3: accused murder victim becomes emotional/irate about their innocence in front of a jury vs speaking non-emotionally and calmly point - be respectful of everyone's opinion (factual or not) because your own opinion is just that... an opinion. anyway, this topic has sadly gone down a bad tangent =(
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I'm tired of people spouting half truths and lies, and I'm way past caring if people think I'm being "nice". I've tried being nice, and nothing changes. I'll give the facts as I know them, and if the other person is open to it, fine. If not, it doesn't matter how I say it because they won't listen no matter how I deliver the message, IME.
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exactly... you can't force anyone to do anything. Overweight people hear about their "problem" through facts every day but in the end, nothing will change unless they want to change or do what it takes. Until then, they'll keep ballooning (just like pollution if there isn't an export means.) . Some think skinny is a marketing problem and not obesity, some won't even change after doctor recommendation which is causing all of our health insurances to rise etc. etc. Hell, I know plenty of adults with $0.00 in savings because the government always provides an "out" thus breeding irresponsibility (medicare/medicaid sp? social security, etc.) Americans are really good at pushing things onto future generations (that are fewer in number)
the only thing you can do is present facts (from occasionally a biased perspective and hope they don't have counter facts). if presented wrong, people will just tune the facts out (like commercials haha... my "opinion" is emotion is a bad way to communicate to strangers). As you may have noticed... the "responsible reefkeeping" forum isn't frequented much, why do you think that is? My guess is people want to tune the facts out of us taking animals from natural habitats to suit their personal agendas. people just tune out bad news in general because it doesn't make them feel good and it requires some responsibility on their part =( "our hobby is so small compared to other things the reefs must bear so we don't really have to worry about how much we take" ORRR "oh, when the bangaii's are extinct, someone will start tank raising them so no worries"... I hear this ALL THE FING time and I work at a lfs =( I even tell customers about them being red listed and they say "oh, wow that sucks... well I'd still like some so I'll take 3". I just want to beat the crap out of them! what more do I need to do after I present facts of possible extinction? burn the forest around their house down or hide their child for an hour in the bathroom before they "get it"? my fiancee's cosmo recently listed recycling rates in various cities... it's not too hot in tx =(
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Then why use your personal life as a model for our behavior, with all the "emotional" verbage?
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