Red Acro "Bugs" -- The Treatment - Page 26

ReeferMac · #1 12/13/2004, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by whitesquall
Now to setup a quarentine system.

I got 4 frags from a friend this weekend, and wasn't sure if they were clean.
Setup a bucket w/ a couple gallons of tank water, a PH, heater, and about 1/3rd of a pill of Interceptor. Treated overnight, glued them down the next morning, they're all looking just ducky today.

- Mac

skippyreef · #2 12/15/2004, 08:49 PM

I just got a few frags in my tank Monday and noted red bugs today. I pulled them out and dont know what to do from here. It is a new tank and these were the first acropora in it. They were only in two days. Should I interceptor the tank or just wait a while to put anything else in?

I can get interceptor from the vet and use it to dip anything that goes in the tank from now on.'

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whitesquall · #3 12/15/2004, 09:51 PM

I would hit it and setup an easy quarentine bucket just like reefermac did, for all new comers.
HTH's

skippyreef · #4 12/15/2004, 11:34 PM

If I have no SPS do I still need to treat? They were little frags so I just took them out of teh tank tonight.

LittleBlueGT · #5 12/15/2004, 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by skippyreef
If I have no SPS do I still need to treat? They were little frags so I just took them out of teh tank tonight.

Just out of curiousity, where did you get the frags from? A friend, LFS? Do you know the origin of them, Fiji?

skippyreef · #6 12/16/2004, 12:07 AM

a LFS. I got rid of them ASAP

Ereefic · #7 12/16/2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ReeferMac
I got 4 frags from a friend this weekend, and wasn't sure if they were clean.
Setup a bucket w/ a couple gallons of tank water, a PH, heater, and about 1/3rd of a pill of Interceptor. Treated overnight, glued them down the next morning, they're all looking just ducky today.

- Mac

An hour works for me.

skippyreef · #8 12/16/2004, 06:02 PM

I had red bugs in my 120 a few years ago (when no one knew they were pest) and all the acropora were Fiji in origin. They dissapeared though and I could not tell you why

decong65 · #9 12/17/2004, 09:58 AM

i need help
it's hard to understand becouse my reading id not to good.
(l'm asian)
i have 65g tank and 29g sump (total water is 85g)
and i just get 11-22kg(24-48lb) interceptor
how much amount do i have to dosing my tank??

Frisco · #10 01/13/2005, 10:11 AM

I started treating a couple weeks ago - here are a couple sample pics showing the result after about 4 hours into the first treatment. Overall, I'm INCREDIBLY happy with the results and think Dustin deserves an award for this one (or at least a beer)!

ReeferMac · #11 01/13/2005, 10:19 AM

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Originally posted by Frisco
and think Dustin deserves an award for this one (or at least a beer)!

If I ever get the chance, I think I'm buying him quite a few for the night.

- Mac

pi · #12 01/13/2005, 12:14 PM

Frisco - Good pics. I find pics like that difficult to look at now.

Haggisman14 · #13 01/17/2005, 10:52 AM

Just curious....i know i read that not all pods are killed when doing this treatment. Just curious which ones end up living through the treatment. My fuge is highly populated w/all the different buggers, and was wondering which ones will survive. I'm assuming the bigger "shrimp" looking ones...but not sure. Thanx

Marc

02REDZ28 · #14 01/24/2005, 05:56 PM

Has anyone used sentinel?

Pat

matt the fiddler · #15 01/24/2005, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skippyreef
I had red bugs in my 120 a few years ago (when no one knew they were pest) and all the acropora were Fiji in origin. They dissapeared though and I could not tell you why

Skippy the same happened to me... Have they stayed out?

Dustin · #16 01/24/2005, 07:30 PM

Sentinel was the first medication that I tested. I was interested in seeing if the lufenuron in it would kill the bugs. The bugs were killed, but when I tried pure lufenuron (Program) they were not killed (at least not during the duration of my test). That singled out Milbemycin as the effective chemical.

That being said, sentinel will kill the bugs, but I don't know if anyone knows what else the lufenuron in it might kill.

02REDZ28 · #17 01/24/2005, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dustin
Sentinel was the first medication that I tested. I was interested in seeing if the lufenuron in it would kill the bugs. The bugs were killed, but when I tried pure lufenuron (Program) they were not killed (at least not during the duration of my test). That singled out Milbemycin as the effective chemical.

That being said, sentinel will kill the bugs, but I don't know if anyone knows what else the lufenuron in it might kill.

Fair enough... I may use it to treat my afflicted animals in a separate tank.

Thanks,
Pat

Dustin · #18 01/24/2005, 11:37 PM

I don't know what its long term effects are on corals, I wouldnt suggest using it.
Also, in order to rid your tank completly of them, you need to treat the corals in the tank.

t0mmy108 · #19 01/25/2005, 12:34 AM

I'm starting my Intrceptor treatment now. Instaed of treating the whole system, I have quarantined ALL ACROPORA species and will try to treat them seperately. Thee are too many shrimp and lobsters in the tank to try to catch. If this doesn't work, then I will write off the shrimp and lobsters. 59 pieces total, including frags have been removed and placed in 50 gallons of original tank water with a power head. treatment will be from 12am to 6 am. I will overdose to half a 23 mg tablet.

Please stop me now if you think it will kill the acros!!!!

How long should I leave the tank Acro Free to insure that the red bugs that may be left in the tank starve?

Hope this works! By the way, I tried to get the meds for the tank by telling the vet what I was really going to use it for. Three vets told me NO. So I took my dog in for an exam. I got the meds all right, but my poor dog tested possitive for heartworms.

I'll be picking him up from the hospital in three days.

t0mmy108 · #20 01/25/2005, 12:35 AM

I'm starting my Intrceptor treatment now. Instead of treating the whole system, I have quarantined ALL ACROPORA species and will try to treat them seperately. Thee are too many shrimp and lobsters in the tank to try to catch. If this doesn't work, then I will write off the shrimp and lobsters. 59 pieces total, including frags have been removed and placed in 50 gallons of original tank water with a power head. treatment will be from 12am to 6 am. I will overdose to half a 23 mg tablet.

Please stop me now if you think it will kill the acros!!!!

How long should I leave the tank Acro Free to insure that the red bugs that may be left in the tank starve?

Hope this works! By the way, I tried to get the meds for the tank by telling the vet what I was really going to use it for. Three vets told me NO. So I took my dog in for an exam. I got the meds all right, but my poor dog tested possitive for heartworms.

I'll be picking him up from the hospital in three days.

t0mmy108 · #21 01/25/2005, 01:52 AM

One hour later, the acro crabs that hid from me are dead. So are some pods. Red bugs appear to be immobile but not all dead.

rsvet · #22 01/25/2005, 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dustin
Sentinel was the first medication that I tested. I was interested in seeing if the lufenuron in it would kill the bugs. The bugs were killed, but when I tried pure lufenuron (Program) they were not killed (at least not during the duration of my test). That singled out Milbemycin as the effective chemical.

That being said, sentinel will kill the bugs, but I don't know if anyone knows what else the lufenuron in it might kill.

In insects (ie fleas) the lufenuron inhibits chitin synthysis. This doesn't have an effect on the adult flea as their exoskeleton is already formed. However, any eggs from the treated fleas can't hatch because the embryos don't develope their hatching tooth and thus die interrupting the life cycle.

I don't know the embryology of the marine Pods or other crustaceons that might utilize chitin in their skeletons, but I would be suspicious that the lufenuron might cause the pods that survived the milbemycin to be basically sterile causing longer term suppresion of their life cycle. If this happened then you may need to re-introduce them into your tank at a later date.

Dustin · #23 01/25/2005, 08:43 AM

Lufenuron (program) has been used by pond keepers to get rid of fish lice on koi. I dont know exactly how they use it, but its supposed to be pretty effective. Thats what lead me to test out the different dog medications.

Tommy, taking the corals out of your tank is probably not going to work. If you broke off just one tiny tip of a coral, or left behind a sliver of encrusted coral on a rock it will proabably fail. If your tank is new and you only have a handful of corals that were added so recently that they never attached, you may stand a chance. There are reports of them living less than a week without food, if thats true I would keep the corals out of your tank for at least a couple of weeks.

ReeferMac · #24 01/25/2005, 09:49 AM

I treated a little over a month ago. Did my 3 courses 1 week apart, waited one additional week and did another large water change (so 4 big changes, 4 Sunday's in a row), and took my refuge offline for the duration. So far, knock on wood, I haven't been re-infected. There are no bits of coral in my refuge (a dead Monti skeleton

), and I waited an extra week after the last treatment to be extra cautious, but I think I should be OK (time will tell). I would wait AT LEAST 2 weeks w/o any hard corals (monti or acro, just to be safe), longer if it was possible.

- Mac

t0mmy108 · #25 01/25/2005, 09:57 AM

Dustin, thanks for the advice. The tank is still new (4 months) and the corals and frags have only encrusted the base they are on. I took out all the rocks that were touched by any acros just in case. I just didn't want to have any innocent bystanders killed and disrupt the balance. I will hold out for two weeks then. If it doesn't work, then I'll just have to do it the right way. What about lighting? Will the acros be fine without lighting for that long? They're not used to being in the dark that long. It would be like having a week of very bad weather in the Indo-pacific?

I was going to put an HQI pendant on them, but the prop tank and the main tank have different lighting.