Amphiprion akallopisos variant? - (no pictures yet)

liv4speed1 · #1 04/13/2006, 05:38 PM

I dont have a picture, sorry, the digital camera is not at home at the moment. Saturday maybe.

I'm wondering if anyone has heard of a Yellow and Orange Skunk Clownfish (Amphiprion akallopisos I think is the generic term for skunks?). I just bought a mated pair at a very trusted LFS today who labled them as Yellow and Orange Skunks WC from Sri Lanka.

They look much like normal skunks, but have a very vibrant yellow ventral side and a very vibrant orange dorsal side. One is missing the the anterior head bar (that runs dorsal to ventral). They both have the the tailbar that runs down their dorsal side though.

This is the second pair the LFS has had in stock. They had both pink and orange skunks in stock and comparing the two I could definetly see a difference.

I'm not expecting to have discovered a new species (not that I did or anything) nor trying to start a flamewar or whatnot. Just looking to see if anyone has heard of this little variant. They're beautiful fish and I'm very happy with them. I've never seen skunks with a vibrant color blend like these before.

*edited topic: Didnt want to mislead XD*

ClownReef® · #2 04/13/2006, 05:42 PM

Cant wait to see pics

liv4speed1 · #3 04/13/2006, 05:48 PM

Thanks, I'll try to grab my girl's dig camera tommorow

*edit*

There used to be a site that was used very often a few years ago in this forum that had very rough sketches of clownfish and all their variants. If anyone has a link to that it would be cool

I've been searching for something online for a little bit that looks similar but cant find anything =/

FishnWishn · #4 04/13/2006, 09:36 PM

Are you talking about this link?
http://wish.wodonga.tafe.edu.au/~kwaldon/species.htm

oama · #5 04/14/2006, 12:40 AM

I'd have to see pics.

A. akallopisos do not have any vertical bars at all. The main difference between these and A. sandaracinos (orange skunks) is the dentation or teeth. The dorsal white stripe on the akallopisos does not reach the upper lip, where the stripe on the sandaracinos does.

No skunks that I know of have vertical tail bars.

liv4speed1 · #6 04/14/2006, 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by FishnWishn
Are you talking about this link?
http://wish.wodonga.tafe.edu.au/~kwaldon/species.htm

Yes that's the site. Thank you

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Originally posted by oama
I'd have to see pics.

A. akallopisos do not have any vertical bars at all. The main difference between these and A. sandaracinos (orange skunks) is the dentation or teeth. The dorsal white stripe on the akallopisos does not reach the upper lip, where the stripe on the sandaracinos does.

No skunks that I know of have vertical tail bars.

The vertical bar is on the head of one of them. The other is missing it. Not the tale, sorry for the misunderstanding.

The dorsal white stripe does NOT extend to the lip. I'm looking at the wish.wodonga.tafe.edu.au link and here are the problems I see:

I could believe the fish to be A. perideraion (42). But the fins on the ventral side are yellow, not white.

I could believe the fish to be A akallopisos. But one of them exhibits a vertical bar near the eye.

So here I am. The dorsal white stripe extends to the eye region, the fins on the ventral side are yellow, the caudal/dorsal fins are white. Body is yellow on the ventral side and orange on the dorsal side. One exhibits a stripe near the end, the other doesnt. And both have a dorsal strip that ends near the eye.

For what it's worth, around the eyes are yellow and they SHOULD be a mature mated pair.

One of them slept on his side last night at the top of the water. Scared the be-jeebes out of me. I thought it might be sick or dying =/ I still have my eye on him. He keeps always poking the top of his head out of the water and hanging out near the top. Guess we'll see.

Hopefully I'll get pictures up later today. To help show y'all want they look like and maybe pin a ID on them

Thanks for the replies so far.

Flighty · #7 04/14/2006, 08:49 AM

They sound just like the pair I tried to get an Id on recently. I'll try to dig up my pics.
here is a link
http://rareclownfish.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236

liv4speed1 · #8 04/14/2006, 11:03 AM

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Originally posted by Flighty
They sound just like the pair I tried to get an Id on recently. I'll try to dig up my pics.
here is a link
http://rareclownfish.com/forums/showthread.php?t=236

Awfully sexy.

The bar near the eye on the Female (I think it's the female....havent had them long enough to "know") isnt as pronounced as yours. And the one in the right picture has a bit less yellow than mine (I really like yours, beautiful pair). All that can be attributed to slight variation though...so I'd say they look dead on.

Thanks for the link and info. Much appreciated :-)

I'll still post picture later today, but it looks like I have a possible inter-species pair with some fun colors =)

liv4speed1 · #9 04/14/2006, 11:04 AM

Can I still call them a super rare breed of yellow/orange skunks =)

Name them A. liv4speed1os or something?

liv4speed1 · #10 04/14/2006, 05:59 PM

The orange didn't come out as sexy as I had hoped....oh well. Luckily I snapped the pictures before they started moving a little further down the tank behind the rocks. Here are the best pictures I could get (and we took about 50 pictures).

Flighty · #11 04/14/2006, 06:13 PM

Strange. They look exactly like the ones at the store near me. What are the odds of two "pairs" of wildcaught cross species clowns with the same odd coloration at two different stores? They were sent as "bicolor" skunk clowns.

phender · #12 04/14/2006, 06:28 PM

A beautiful akallopisos and a beautiful perideraion.
I would seriously doubt that two interspecies pairs of the same mix would be collected and sent out at the same time.
I think it is more likely that some distributor in Indonesia is working on a new marketing idea.
I have seen the yellow/orange "pink" skunks before, but ones from liv4speed1's pair and the pair that Cindy saw are exceptional.
The peach to yellow of the akallopisos is not unusual, but still a great specimen.

FWIW: neither perideraion nor akallopisos are "supposed" to occur in Sri Lanka. Their ranges do overlap in Indonesia however.

liv4speed1 · #13 04/14/2006, 06:37 PM

Well thank you very much y'all for clearing up the info and the input in the thread

I'm still a proud parent...hopefully both Cindy's thread and my thread can help clear up any questions future people might have.

Now I have to learn how to spell akallopisos and perideraion ><

liv4speed1 · #14 04/14/2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally posted by Flighty
Strange. They look exactly like the ones at the store near me. What are the odds of two "pairs" of wildcaught cross species clowns with the same odd coloration at two different stores? They were sent as "bicolor" skunk clowns.

That'd be the third pair in the past two weeks I've heard of. Phender's marketing idea is starting to sound nice now.... Maybe someone is just trying to capitalize on a little more uncommon color variant.

dantodd · #15 04/14/2006, 11:46 PM

They look really small to be a mated pair. Also, they don't seem to have adequate domorphism to be mated. I would also think that you'd see appropriate submissive behavior almost immediately if they were a true pair. They are quite a ttractive though.

ricordiaking · #16 04/18/2006, 07:45 AM

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Originally posted by liv4speed1
The orange didn't come out as sexy as I had hoped....oh well. Luckily I snapped the pictures before they started moving a little further down the tank behind the rocks. Here are the best pictures I could get (and we took about 50 pictures).

I love the colour on those

liv4speed1 · #17 04/19/2006, 10:45 PM

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Originally posted by ricordiaking
I love the colour on those

Well thank you

(sorry to bump this late xD)

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Originally posted by dantod

They look really small to be a mated pair. Also, they don't seem to have adequate domorphism to be mated. I would also think that you'd see appropriate submissive behavior almost immediately if they were a true pair. They are quite a ttractive though.

Thanks for the input. I'm not seeing the submissive behavior I had with my old black/white ocellaris just yet, they seem to just be starting to form a pair bond in all honesty =/ Oh well, they seem happy enough together, it'll be fun to go through the whole process over again.

Flighty · #18 04/20/2006, 06:19 AM

I couldn't resist. I picked up a single orange perideraion. I didn't buy the "pair" that is a clone of your pair. The markup was too steep, but I found a tank of ones that look like your male for a good price. Now that he is in a qt next to my regular perideraion, the color difference is dramatic.

ezhoops · #19 04/20/2006, 05:15 PM

I know a guy with a breeding pair and the offspring so far haven't shared this coloration. they might need more time to color up.

Flighty · #20 04/20/2006, 05:40 PM

Hmmm, that is interesting info. All of the ones I have seen are medium or large.

I'll try to get a pic up for posterity. It is a gorgeous fish

liv4speed1 · #21 04/20/2006, 06:25 PM

I cant wait to see the picture

We'll start a new trend in the hobby for these little fellas