R/C is always bogged down

[beerguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9079270#post9079270 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Randall_James
Without seeing the logs I would be that all 5 servers combined run less than 10Mps at any given time.

Nope - we've actually hitting that point and dropping packets. We just recently had to increase the size of the incoming pipe but I've been out of the country and haven't seen a traffic report after the upgrade to see if we went big enough.

The mysql server probably runs in the neighborhood of 250-500qps when things start getting busy, not much data, just a lot of requests

We top out at 500-600qps things get hot and heavy.

[Randall_James]

Pretty close guesses huh? Message boards are the most demanding of any account to host for sure...

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9099748#post9099748 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by xrunner1234
Actually that is interesting. If they would sign up for the google adsense program they would have another source of income.

According to them, they get about 12,000 unique visistors/day.
With 10 ad impression per visit each day there would be 120,000 impressions. With a 1%CTR (click through rate) and and average of $0.10 per ad, this would yield $120/day.

Adsense does not work quite that well, I do have a site that sees 100K per week of unique vistors and the adsense does not generate anything close to that. If it did, I would be sitting pretty I suppose

[reef fanatic]

i got the mysql error when I tried to get into this thread, imagine that...........
I agree with some of the others, that if I get bonus discounts from the sponsors and my visit was going to be improved, I would pay. Not a single site I can think of makes a payment required to search. Just my .02 , now I will get off my soapbox.

[Randall_James]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9217219#post9217219 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef fanatic
i got the mysql error when I tried to get into this thread, imagine that...........
I agree with some of the others, that if I get bonus discounts from the sponsors and my visit was going to be improved, I would pay. Not a single site I can think of makes a payment required to search. Just my .02 , now I will get off my soapbox.

Where did you find a "You have to pay to search" thing at? You can search this site for free anytime you want http://reefcentral.com/search.php

If you want to use the vbb search engine that is free also (the search button)... however vbb can monitor server loads, when they are at or above a set point, you can limit services to keep the servers online. Just so happens that if you "support rc" your limit is set higher than those who do not "support rc" financially...

[reef fanatic]

that is basically what I meant Randall. I have tried to "search" many times and get "server too busy , dont hit refresh button", etc EVERY time. I am just saying that I will not pay for it until I get drastically better service, which I hear from the "supporters" is not much better. If RC needs money so bad, sell me a RC golf towel or an RC tatooed tang or something, don't offer me what other websites do for free already....just .02 more of my cents

[Anemone]

You are free not to pay. It's not a problem.

Kevin

[mhurley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9220242#post9220242 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef fanatic
which I hear from the "supporters" is not much better.

I would love to see any links to those comments.

How about this:
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1041885

[reef fanatic]

that is understood anemone, I am also free to state my opinion as I am doing to this thread, which it seems is a partial reason why this thread is here.
If RC wants to better itself, it will look at these threads and find ways to improve. I too many times see "mods" bashing people that state opinions rather than taking those opinions to the top and seeing what can be done. I work in retail and if I get a complaint, I FIX it to the best of my ability or my "shoppers" find better ways to get products. Thats why I get so passionate when little seems to be done to fix customer issues not just here but in life in general. Who is at the "top" looking into why we can't search ( more easily) these great resources????????

[twon8]

i have been having lots of problems lately just surfing through rc, probably a dozen times in the last couple of weeks i have gotten the server busy message, and most of those times i was just clicking on a link and not performing a search.

[reef fanatic]

mhurley, read up toward the beginning of this thread, for starters, some people say they see little search improvement when they even have premium status.

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9220886#post9220886 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef fanatic
that is understood anemone, I am also free to state my opinion as I am doing to this thread, which it seems is a partial reason why this thread is here.
If RC wants to better itself, it will look at these threads and find ways to improve. I too many times see "mods" bashing people that state opinions rather than taking those opinions to the top and seeing what can be done. I work in retail and if I get a complaint, I FIX it to the best of my ability or my "shoppers" find better ways to get products. Thats why I get so passionate when little seems to be done to fix customer issues not just here but in life in general. Who is at the "top" looking into why we can't search ( more easily) these great resources????????

We've upgraded hardware once already this past year, and are looking at upgrading again. Last year at this time we were generally under 2000 concurrent users. Now, we are well over that every day. The last upgrades improved the availability of the search for everyone, and it's only been in the last couple of months that it's really fallen off again.

The system takes constant "tweaking" to keep it running at its maximum capability. The admins here are volunteer staff with their own jobs and their own lives. Doug (Beerguy), our main tweaker (did I just call him that? ) took a couple of weeks vacation this past month and was not here to do the daily performance mods and things slowed down.

The Staff here ARE doing what we can to improve things, but when it comes down to it, pay or don't pay, I don't really care. The people who have paid get my thanks (and the thanks of the rest of the Staff) for helping keep this place running. The vast majority of them say they get a significant improvement in searchability too.

The people who want to discuss/argue over whether $24 is really "worth it" have my complete indifference - I just don't care. Do it or don't do it, but don't regale me with pages of "discussion" about the merits of "free" search versus "paying" for search, when you don't understand the structure of the site, its software or its data "crunching" and transmission issues. It's a dead horse. Stop beating it. It is what it is.

Kevin

[reef fanatic]

Kevin, who is the "head " of RC?, do they not care either that you "don't care"? I know the share holders of my company would have me in a sling or fired for saying that. I realize you are volunteer, so it is different. But is there a "Dear RC head" email , etc.? Not looking to yell or call the RC mods names, but is any of this really seen by the head of RC?

[dc]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9221052#post9221052 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef fanatic
Kevin, who is the "head " of RC?, do they not care either that you "don't care"? I know the share holders of my company would have me in a sling or fired for saying that. I realize you are volunteer, so it is different. But is there a "Dear RC head" email , etc.? Not looking to yell or call the RC mods names, but is any of this really seen by the head of RC?

LOL, he has a life too. I imagine he reads just like everyone else. And put the people in charge that are, for a reason.

[Anemone]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9221052#post9221052 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef fanatic
Kevin, who is the "head " of RC?, do they not care either that you "don't care"? I know the share holders of my company would have me in a sling or fired for saying that. I realize you are volunteer, so it is different. But is there a "Dear RC head" email , etc.? Not looking to yell or call the RC mods names, but is any of this really seen by the head of RC?

The shareholders of your company would be upset with you because it is your job to sell. It's not my job to sell Premium Memberships. Premium Memberships are available for those people who WANT to support RC, and they get certain "perks" for doing so. I'm not here to lobby or convince anyone that they "should," or "have to" become a Premium Member.

I tell you that I don't care in order to show that I'm giving you the best info about the state of the site that I can... and I'm not trying to sell you anything. If it (selling Premium Memberships) was 'my product," then I would be insulted by some of the conspiracy theories and innuendo people post here. Since I'm not trying to make a sale, I find many of these types of posts at best ignorant and at worst just plain funny.

And I'll say it again; why spend pages arguing/discussing it. Either do it or don't. It's pretty simple.

Yep, all of this is seen by the owner of RC, as well as those who run it. You can email any concerns you have to JohnL, the owner, at webmaster@reefcentral.com.

Kevin

[reef fanatic]

cool, my opinions are stated..........have a great day and happy reefing

[mhurley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9220896#post9220896 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef fanatic
mhurley, read up toward the beginning of this thread, for starters, some people say they see little search improvement when they even have premium status.

The "errors" and search engine availability are two different things.
Search engine availability is "The search engine has been temporarily disabled due to high server load" messages that non-Premiums get a lot.

Those other SQL errors are something completely different and have nothing to do with Premium Membership versus non-Premium.

[Randall_James]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9221258#post9221258 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by reef fanatic
cool, my opinions are stated..........have a great day and happy reefing

Ok so what part of http://reefcentral.com/search.php cost money or does not work?

[reef fanatic]

ok, randall , I didnt want to get started again, but if you look up I was referring to the search that is at the top of the forum boards ( within RC). I use the google search too, but oddly enough your question should be towards RC as to why we have to go out of the site to get better service. Kinda like my reference of going to another store to get better service when the store we are in should just look to offer better service if it is brought to the managers attention. Bringing things to managers attention does not always refer to disliking a stores product or personnel, they may just want the "shopping experience" to be better sometimes
Also, Last night I got the "mysql" message 3-5 times within an hour.

[BeanAnimal]

Well for starters the google search is time shifted as it only is as recent as the last googlebot crawl. Searches from google and searches from the RC engine are two totally different things. So no you will not get better results going "outside" RC.

It would appear to me that you simply want to argue for the sake of arguing. I suppose that is your right as long as the guys with the handcuffs are willing to participate.

You will find that most of us who pay for premium membership do so regardless of how much better the search feature works. We find $24 worth of value in helping to maintain the site. Without our contributions I am sure that things would be much worse. I sure hope John is pocketing some of the money, I know I would if I owned the site.

I can say without a doubt that the search availability is much better than it was 6 months ago. Are the SQL errors annoying... of course they are. I pay for a membership every year and get them just like you do. Instead of complaining I pay my $24 and enjoy the fact that RC continues to grow.

Maybe with the help of YOUR $24 dollars and the $24 of the others who spend time moaning about the speed and search functions, none of us would have anything to complain about.

In a way, many of us understand where you are coming from but at the same time we also realize that this is a free site.

The bottom line: If you want free, then deal with what comes for free. It has to be frustrating to anybody that gives something away for free, only to people stand in line to complain. It is FREE so don't complain Dropping a note in the suggestion box is great... but at some point you have to remember that free is free

If you want it to be better then take a chance and donate your $24. At least then when you complain you will have some ground to stand on.

On a side note: You mention retail. I own a business. At some point you have to tell a customer or prospecticve customer "With all due respect, we do not want your money...and here is a refund for what you already gave us, keep the product but please don't come back." They are kindly trying to tell you that pleasing you has become more of an effort than it is worth. Don't be that customer Sometimes we all forget and start down that path...