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very interested in this info as im at the 2 month point of having my angler. he is happy and eating currently frozen silver sides. i keep researching anglers and keep reading about an issue that can arise later when keeping these guys. it is all related to nutrition and them stop eating...or stop moving ..and starving to death. i want to avoid this and am wondering if i should start just throwing a blue chromis in the tank for him to eat.
my concern is what if he doesnt show interest in the live food? i mean immediatly? should you just leave a live fish in there to entice and eventually the angler will come too?.........you know he will make the chromis make a nighttime disapearence (eat 'em up). thanks again for your info and this thread! its great for us with anglers and dealing with the specific care issues and questions that arise with these strange and remarkably adapted creatures.
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thank you for the explaination of that. so at this point you should just start adding live fish into the tank for the angler to hunt and eat? if he is languid will he hunt the live food?
thanks for the info ohh yeah what are the white spots you speak of? do the go away when they begin feeding on live food? just absorbing info! thanks all! __________________ DAVID The author says that for three years guppies (acclimated over 4 to 8 weeks to salinty threshold of 9 to 10ppt.) have been the chief diet of her two adolescent wartskin frogfish and for the last year her adult coinbearing frogfish. At least twice a week they feed on a few saltwater guppies......they will also accept small frozen shrimp waved in front of their faces ![]() Hope this helps, Janey |
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The first time I offered Charlie a guppy he showed no interest......in fact, he was intimidated by it! My daughter works at the LFS and said there was a blue damsel in with Charlie at the store, and he could never catch it.....thus he just gave up......he's only 3 inches long and I think the damsel was too big and he lost his confidence. Once he found he COULD catch and eat a guppy he regained his condidence. I offered him a guppy for the second time today and he immediately started luring and got all excited. Took him about 30 seconds to snag him
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thanks!
im am still wondering about the white spots. what are they and why do they appear? anyone with this info please chime in. maybe the key is small live food(guppies) versus bigger damsels and such. i think this fish may be shocked by eating good sized pieces of froozen food. I still am wishing someone would find an answer why the frozen food is inadaqute versus live. is it to big? and when we speak of live i feel we are only talking about guppies. whats wrong with other fish? is it wrong. sorry for the relentless questioning but im inqisitive to know this stuff.lol
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anyone with info on these white spots?
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Hi
![]() I have a scanned copy of the article and it says "Coral" at the bottom of the page........my friend told me it was in "this months" magazine a couple of weeks ago. I tried to call her but she's not home so I assume it's February's issue.......if not it would be January but I thought they only published every other month......hope this helps ![]() Janey |
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Current English version of Coral Magazine, Feb-Mar 2006, Vol 3, No. 1
Article is titled: "Saltwater" Guppies as Live Food by Dr Ellen Thaler who, I believe, is a professor at the University of Innsbruck, Austria. She advocates the use of guppies rasied in semi-marine salinites as feeder fishes. Her recommendations are based on her own experiences with two 3-year-old Antennarius maculatus and an adult Antennarius nummifer which she also occasionally feeds frozen shrimp. But I raised a commerson almost exclusively on defrosted frozen for over four years (ultimately killing him with a heater malfunction) and have many anglers over two years in captivity that have never been fed live foods. I also have a few fellows that will eat nothing but live foods. They will get mollies, guppies, f/w ghost shrimp, and marine shrimp. I am still of the opinion that a varied diet is the key to successful angler husbandry. An exclusive diet of defrosted silversides is much too fatty and would probably promote liver degeneration. Pietsch and Grobecker examined (dissected) a variety of reef frogfishes and found: "the diets of frogfishes consists of a highly varied, overlapping assortment of prey types" I think that guppies and mollies have their use in the feeding of froggies. But I still advocate other (primarily marine) and varied feed items for frogfish health. I think that many are discounting cryptocaryon and amyloodinium diagnosis in the deaths of thir frogfishes. |
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There is a February/March issue that people would already have. The next issue is April/May (see www.coralmagzine.com). I had a subscription that seems to have expired
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I'm thinking about subscribing too, Cherie
![]() I have to admit that it is so much watching "Charlie" lure and get excited about a live guppie. I agree that a varied diet would be best......thus, I'm hoping he never turns his nose/lure up at frozen krill and an occasional silverside ![]() Janey |
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has anyone out there experienced white spots on thier angler? i guess this is also is accompanied with no feeding. any info?
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sorry to but in, but i have a quick question.
i have kept 3 anglers in the past (wartskin) sargassum, and striated, the tank i think i might setup for an angler, is a 20l zoo reef. what species do you think would be best suited. |
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20 long is a low tank. Any of the smaller ones might work... pictus, maculatus, etc. Dwarf anglers like Randall or Tuberosus if you can find those.
Commersons/Giant gets too big. Sargassum might jump out if you don't have a cover. |
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thanks ill go with the maculatus, or tuberosus
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Sad Day
I suppose there are only a handful of people that will appreciate my sadness in reporting that I had to euthanize my frogfish, Fuggly (my avatar), early this morning. It was time. He started exhibiting buoyancy control problems about a week ago. I had hope since he ate a live marine shrimp as recently as this past weekend. I thought he might come around, but he continued to go downhill.
I got this frogfish as a 1.5� juvenile (see the first page of this thread before it split), just under 2.5 years ago. He never would take anything but live food, so he’s always gotten marine feeder fish or marine shrimp – who were in turn quarantined (the fish) and fed the best marine fish food. I don’t know how much that had to do with the length of time I was able to keep him (or her – I never knew). I don’t think we know much about their longevity in the wild, but 2.5 years seems to be more than most in captivity. At any rate, I’ll miss this fish with all the color changes, watching him stalk his prey and his preference for hanging upside down from his refugium home. I’m fascinated w/ these fish, so I will look for another one soon.
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Sorry Cherie
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Very sorry to hear, Cherie
![]() You provided a good home to him for a long time. |
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So sorry, Cherie, that you lost Fuggly
![]() ![]() In the article from "Coral" magazine, Ellen Thaler states that they can live over 10 years in the wild.......that's the first I've seen in print about how long they can live...... Janey |
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I know some of us have picked up new frogs lately. Any pics? Info on their tank systems?
![]() I got these two pictus frogs this weekend. A grey pink one, and a red one. They're both in a 72 bow front lagoonal sps/lps/zoa reef. This is the first time I'm keeping 2 frogs in the same tank. I think they'll be ok together because there are a lot of caves and crevices to define different territories. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Last edited by Mr. Ugly; 03/13/2006 at 04:05 PM. |
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congrats on the nice find!!!
You guys in cali are soo lucky with the good supply of fish and corals u have access to |
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I'm extra lucky because my LFS guy loves frogs, and keeps an eye out for them
![]() Also lucky me... all the corals in those pics were freebies or trades ![]() |
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Sweet!!!
Do you have any plans for how you'll keep that gorgeous red color on the second frogfish? I wish I'd taken first day photos of my new frogfish (Jaba) when he was bright banana yellow! After only one week, he's already changing! The back half of him is darker yellow and the front half of him is getting distinctly orangish/yellow. He's also developed one hot orangish-pink spot on his front dorsal spine region! I need to get some pictures before he changes any more!
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Hi Cherie!
I won't mind if he changes color. I love the red, but I"m just glad to have froggies again ![]() Jaba... great name ![]() ![]() |
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When they first went in the tank, they ended up side by side to each other and kept shoving each other back and forth like little kids
![]() After that, they explored the tank and found different spots to hang out. Last night they got back together again. ![]() |
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the red guy will fade unless you add some brightly redish colors to your tank. also i would be worried about canabalism in future. always possible with anglers! look like buddies now but when one get really hungry the other may be in trouble. i have seen this. anglers hanging out for weaks but then one day an accidental nip at the tail reassures the fish that this taste and could eventually be food
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