my house reef (211 g.) - Page 27

Julio · #**651** 02/27/2006, 08:39 PM

although it seems like you are getting better growth with the trace elements it also seems like the inhabitants had a little bleaching since they are alot lighter.

jnarowe · #**652** 02/27/2006, 08:44 PM

alien I don't think anyone is saying that it isn't an awesome tank. Certainly not in my case, but I do feel that the before pictures looked better than the after. At such a short time interval and with so many variables in photography, it's not an assessment that holds any weight. Just the way it looked to me.

Iwan's tank is way beyond anything I have ever seen in person including the beautiful reefs I have actually dived on.

melev · #**653** 02/28/2006, 12:16 AM

Well, I'm not sold on these products discussed, but I'm intrigued by the change in color of the birdsnest posted. It makes me want to try it, but then again I don't want to.

What kind of money are you spending, Simon? I have a 280g reef, so it would be nice to know how much it costs per week dosing for that sized tank.

ahchung · #**654** 02/28/2006, 12:42 AM

I have a 45G tank. Is it too small to use the products?

TryTheChi · #**655** 02/28/2006, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by melev
Well, I'm not sold on these products discussed, but I'm intrigued by the change in color of the birdsnest posted. It makes me want to try it, but then again I don't want to.

What kind of money are you spending, Simon? I have a 280g reef, so it would be nice to know how much it costs per week dosing for that sized tank.

Hey Mark

I put up a calulator on page 18 or 19 of this thread so people could figure for themselves- but as you did such a charming post about your childhood in Switzerland and my Mum is in Basel at the moment- I'v done a little homework for you

You have 280 gal = 1120 lts - lets say 1000lts net.

The core product is Prodibiodigest - 1 amp is good for 1000lrs each fortnight - The smallest pack is 6 amps which will last you 3 months.

You will need 5 amps per 2 weeks TPIM (less if your net volume is less) = 30 amps

You will need 2-3 amps Reef Booster per week = @ 30 amps

At the price I buy for in europe this comes to 59 euros or approx 69 USD for 3 months supply. 0r $6 pw. Someone is importing these to the US now - but I dont know what he is charging.

Add to this 50mls of Zeo CV @ $55 and 50mls of zeo AAHC @ $45 from the US distributor of Zeo = $169 or $14 per week all in. This would give you the basic tools to start down this bit of the 'Iwan Method' and give it a 12 week trial.

However the US Zeo prices are way more than the european prices, +55% and +38% more respectively. These price differences do not include minus 17.5% EU sales tax discount when you export from the EU - or shipping charges.

PM me if you want details of European suppliers I use.

I should say for the zeoland viewers watching that I have no commerial interests in these products - which is easily checked - I'm just doing a favor from one hobbyist to another based on an unsolicited enquiry [End of legal note

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Mark HTH

Cheers for now

SImon

TryTheChi · #**656** 02/28/2006, 05:53 AM

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Originally posted by alien9168
no effense guys but I think that tank looks amazing!!

-alien

No offense taken alien - this is the best reef tank I have ever seen - I have dived in the caribean St. Lucia, the Gulf of Thailand and the Andaman Sea, and off Guadacanal in the Soloman Islands. The Soloman Islands was superb! Iwan's tank is better than that even.

The comments refered to the effect of the Nightsun products after 7 days. After doing some further investigation - its seems B Mohr gives Nightsun the thumbs up

which is a major major endorsment in the German speaking world, (after he tried T5s and got good results - so we all did)- so I'm really looking forward to seeing the results on Iwans' reef - 2 months seems to be the point at which current users look back and go wow.

TryTheChi · #**657** 02/28/2006, 05:57 AM

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Originally posted by ahchung
I have a 45G tank. Is it too small to use the products?

No its not too small - just nice and cheap to run

and you can afford to place only the very nicest of pieces in it. - The only thing you will need to do is use half a vial of reef booster weekly and store the other half in the firdge for next week. The zeo elements will last for a long long time.

Lucky you

tangblack · #**658** 02/28/2006, 06:45 AM

Has bernard mohr still got his tank going?

robthorn · #**659** 02/28/2006, 07:43 AM

2 of the prodibio products are $12.99 and the other of the 3 recommended is 13.99. if you want to figure out which just check out www.robsreef.com . all of these contain 6 ampules and larger quantities were cheaper per ampule.
I am not rob nor do I know him or anyone working for in or around that store. this is where I ordered mine from and should have it early next week. I did talk to him on the phone when I ordered and he seems very nice.
trythechi
I would be interested in the lower cost zeo products if they will ship them to the states for me.

robthorn · #**660** 02/28/2006, 07:50 AM

I think I see what Iwan see's in the after pictures which I think looks great. on the right side there is that yellowish /greenish stag that in the first pic is beautiful but after comparing the 2 it makes the before look somewhat dingey yellowish. then in the after it is a more brilliant green color. the red montipora looking thing on the right doesn't look as deep which in person may or may not look better. besides the stag I am torn since I like some things better and others not so much. all in all I can only dream of this tank.

TryTheChi · #**661** 02/28/2006, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by robthorn
I would be interested in the lower cost zeo products if they will ship them to the states for me.

Hi Rob

yes they do and pls can you PM me with the request - unless a mod tells me its OK to post here -I dont want to do anything against the board rules.

Cheers

Simon

TryTheChi · #**662** 03/01/2006, 06:12 AM

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Originally posted by TryTheChi

pls can you PM me with the request - unless a mod tells me its OK to post here -I dont want to do anything against the board rules.

Cheers

Simon

Re all the PMs guys - thanks for doing it that way - and I'm pleased you are going to save big time - will leave more $s for aquacultured frags

and move further towards zero impact reefing. Please do keep us informed of progress with before /after shots (good or otherwise) in due course.

If there are any RC mods watching - pls can you let me know eitherway if its OK to put up the links - I'm snowed under here with PMs - thanks.

Cheers
Simon

robwsup · #**663** 03/01/2006, 10:50 AM

Yeah, been getting some PM's myself!

Floridiot · #**664** 03/02/2006, 06:03 PM

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Originally posted by tangblack
I have today stopped dosing all other supplements and turned off my rowa reactor to see what the effects are after 1 month,
I will be dosing the product weekly and testing my water to what effects it make sto water quality.

Just out of curiosity, have you tested you PO4 recently?

Floridiot · #**665** 03/02/2006, 06:04 PM

oops. Double post.

Floridiot · #**666** 03/02/2006, 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by TryTheChi
Nice approach and with a couple of exceptions - thats my stocking plan too, mostly for environmental reasons, less impact on increasingly threatened reefs, less carbon used in transportation, greater survivability rates as the frags are adapted to tank life, and the satisfaction of watching small things grow large.

Environmental issues are high in many peoples awareness in western europe now, and EU policy is forcing governments to take action on avoidable waste. So when visitors see the tank - first go wow! then say ' thats a bad thing you are doing' they are pleasantly surprised that the reef is almost entirely British - hehe.

I noticed you have some decent sized SPS colonies in your system now. Were these grown in captivity, or did you break down and go 'wild'?

TryTheChi · #**667** 03/02/2006, 06:39 PM

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Originally posted by Floridiot
I noticed you have some decent sized SPS colonies in your system now. Were these grown in captivity, or did you break down and go 'wild'?

Hi Floridot

The new SPS are all aquacultured in the Solomans and Indonesia - I'm realy impressed with the quality - we have a LFS fairly near me who specialise in importing these - so as soon as I hear they have a shipment - I get in the helicopter immediately.

I'm not sure if its visible in the photos I'v posted - but you can see they all have little domes they are fragged onto and look a bit too artificial - I'll have to use miliput to make it look more natural once I'm sure they like thier locations.

However - to my shame - there was a beautiful Purple/ red echinopora - wild harvested by villagers trained in sustainability I'm promissed. This is very rarely imported into the UK but not restricted by CITES. Its the one at the centre bottom - the plan is to let it settle for a year then start fragging so we have a non wild source in the UK.

Hows your prodi trial going?

Cheers

Simon

TryTheChi · #**668** 03/02/2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by iwan
The colors seem metallic.The differences are not effective so extremely on the photos yet. The colors generally are simply more flourescent.
I give the other products like usual. However, I measure the trace elements out really very lowly.

Hi Iwan any picture updates yet please? Sascha said that you are using the nightsun elements at 10% of the recommended dose - is that how you are doing it?

Cheers

Simon

Floridiot · #**669** 03/02/2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally posted by TryTheChi
Hows your prodi trial going?

So far so good. I won't be testing PO4 for a couple more weeks, but I definitely have more skimmer production and less chaeto growth. That is the only noticable changes so far.

carib · #**670** 03/02/2006, 09:40 PM

I am on my 3rd week of prodibio,and I want to say I Like what I see.My nitrates from-10 went to-0.phos.-0.05 has not changed,the water is cristal clear,I am getting more skimmate,phosban has been removed for 10 days now,(might go back) REEFBUSTER makes great impact on acro's(I shut down my skimmer for 1/2 day)I use everything listed above exept ZEOSTART-2 and would like to ask if its critical component?THANKS.

carib · #**671** 03/02/2006, 09:52 PM

OH YA-Just out of curiosity, have you tested you PO4 recently?

TryTheChi · #**672** 03/03/2006, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by carib
I am on my 3rd week of prodibio,and I want to say I Like what I see.My nitrates from-10 went to-0.phos.-0.05 has not changed,the water is cristal clear,I am getting more skimmate,phosban has been removed for 10 days now,(might go back) REEFBUSTER makes great impact on acro's(I shut down my skimmer for 1/2 day)I use everything listed above exept ZEOSTART-2 and would like to ask if its critical component?THANKS.

Good to hear - hope you are taking some pics for the impact on coral coloration

Re PO4 - this element can be bound up in LR and sand, and released back into the water column as it's PO4 is reduced - so it may be worth putting the PO4 remover back in for a period, take it out for a while, test, put it back in until you have cleared all the bound PO4 from the rocks and sand- could take a little time. (same principle as soaking media in RO/RI for while to draw out any PO4)

Re Start 2 - Iwans' expererience will be the benchmark - but I have only just started using it (1ml per 100ltrs seems to cause brown film on the glass so I'm dosing at 20% of that) it had no part to play in the results gained with the pink hysterix above. Start 2 is a carbon sourse for the bacs.

Are you going nice and easy with CV and AAHC to begin with?

Cheers

Simon

robthorn · #**673** 03/03/2006, 07:49 AM

all the abreviations are killing me. whats aahc I'm having a mind block this morning?

Travis · #**674** 03/03/2006, 12:07 PM

AAHC = Ammino Acids High Concentrate

robthorn · #**675** 03/03/2006, 12:22 PM

yeah I figured that out and tried to hit the back button but it was too late. thanks anyway.
robert