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See i new people out there believe that if u attend to ur tank like caring for a baby for a 29g it would not be A MUST HAVE dry good.
of course it would help a lot i know that but .. if i have a sump/refugium and have only 3 fish and about 7 corals ... with a good cleanup crew and weekley 20 percent WC i think i should be fine. thanx for everyones two cents...... some people on here believe there are rules for this hobby and their really isnt.. obviously somethings could be consider rules but .... yall know what i mean..
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I'm up to almost 40" of fish in my 58, and still no measurable nitrates/phosphates. SKimmers roxor. |
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Easye, whats your reason for not wanting a skimmer? Is it a cost issue?
At 6 gallons a week, the extra waterchanges will cost more than a decent skimmer in less than a year (probably about 2 buckets of salt and the associated RO)
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My tank is heavily skimmed, and I Have no need to feed those things either. The fish are there for that. |
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Large systems probably force the use of a skimmer.
If you have a system that allows dilution to be sufficient to maintain healthy livestock, then a skimmer is only a bonus that provides a very useful buffer. Not needed on smaller systems, but always a worthy addition, I think. |
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I have a large system, I have a 180 reef, 100 refuge, 300 tank with fish and live rock and some coral frags. No skimmer is working out better than with a skimmer
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Care to post any pics?
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Its about a simple fact: Yes, you can keep a tank fine without a skimmer, but it limits what you can do for bioload. I could probably keep more fish, but its starting to become a territory issue, and not a bioload issue. |
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I just feel like this is an analogy to the argument against skimmers:
I could cook everthing on a wood stove instead of a gas one. I could even cook gourmet meals on a wood stove. Gotta chop the wood, but hey, that's just an extra few hours a week. Plus there are a lot of benefits to cooking with wood. The food gets smoked a little and tastes better. So how come almost no one cooks on a wood stove anymore? Why, because who wants to cook on a wood stove when there's a gas stove. It's just so much easier.
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I could keep my tank without a skimmer. But I'd have to do more waterchanges, do more siphoning, and generally spend more time. Its doable, but its frankly, a waste of my time. |
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Aquabucket, we both agree that you can keep a skimmerless tank fine.
I just think theyre more work, and they walk a finer line. Suggesting to a newbie that he can do it is a disservice. Newbies are better off with skimmers. When you start figuring your stuff out, then you make the decision on it.
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http://www.reefvideos.com/reefshowcase_04_content.html
3rd one down on the left...Andreas 72 gal skimmerless tank! |
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is regular exercise necesarry? no, but it will keep you in better shape and help keep you healthy. I think a skimmer is the same way, it will keep your tank healthier, allowing you to feed more, thus making fish healthier and happier.
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I have a skimmer and it wasn't producing anything. I added a couple air sticks into the bubble changer and it was working like you wouldn't believe. For a couple months it was crazy working. Now I am back to barely nothing. What would cause that? I can't possibly have that clean of water...
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My fish are big and fat and happy and a skimmer is not causing that. My tank was not healthier when I had the skimmer on it, that is why I took it off
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If anyone is walking a fine line its you Rich with that very heavy bio-load of yours. I have seen and heard of systems like yours quite a few times from customers at work. In the long run many of them have failed misserably. Even with a honkin skimmer you run the risk of what I call a "chain reaction failure" ~ one sizable fish dies due to stress from territorial issues, low oxygen levels, or other reasons. This one dead fish causes an ammonia spike, soon another dies and so on and so on ~ with all this literally happening overnight. A honkin' skimmer in this situation does will not save you.
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AquaBucket, how often do you do water changes? How large? Most of the non skimmer people I know need to do frequent large changes.
As to chain reactions/fish dying,etc, I had a 8" wide bubble tip walk through a tunze a couple weeks ago. There was nothing left. Turned into puree. I didnt lose a single fish or coral. If thats not goin to cause it, a fish dying isnt either. What I did get was a full cup full of sludge that day.
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easye123's question posed in this thread has been answered and it seems he is going to be content on going skimmerless. I have confidence that his methods will work just fine in regard to keeping a healthy captive reef without a skimmer and wish him the best of luck!
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Aquabucket, no where in this thread has it been said that you can't keep a perfectly healhty tank without a skimmer. Its just not as easy.
I would bet that you do a LOT more waterchanges than I do.
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I think we are forgetting the main issue. A skimmerless tank with a light bioload and water changes that are done more frequently keeps organic material low. A tank with a large skimmer, heavy bioload and less frequent water changes keeps organic material low.
Aquabucket- It doesn't make sense that your tank would do worse with a skimmer. Removing organic materials shouldn't negatively impact your system. If it does, you should be asking yourself why. Also, "chain reaction failure would be more of an issue in a tank without a skimmer and a light bioload. It is a simple ratio: a heavy bioload creates a lot of waste, the skimmer removes that waste. In a light bioload tank the nutrients are removed by natural means and water changes. If a fish dies in the tank with the heavy bioload and skimmer the percentage of nutrients added by the decomposing fish will be marginal compared to the skimmerless system. A "honkin" skimmer in that case would indeed save you.
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