das skimmers

[skwirl]

anybody know where to get em/ get info on em? i cant find em anywhere..

[tweetyfish]

Here you go.
http://stores.petorama.net/Categorie...ters%3AFilters

[USC-fan]

i just got brought the das ex2 from petorama[sp?].

Check out my thread here:
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1054301

i posted pics and video near the end of it.

Its an awesome skimmer, i don't think any skimmer in that price range can beat its performance.

[smackwater]

you get them here.



http://stores.petorama.net/StoreFront.bok

[smackwater]

I was lookin into the das skimmers

Then I looked into this site. http://www.protein-skimmer.com/

I got basically the same skimmer as das 3 but twice the thickness on acrylic

U.S.A cast

excellent build, lifetime warranty on craftsmanship. comparably price to

the das, awesome costumer support.

[USC-fan]

How much did that cost you?

The das skimmers do have a better design than those....

[smackwater]

The das skimmers do have a better design than those....

Care to elaborate?

you can have Orca build your skimmer however you want

You need to e-mail for prices

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

really??
http://stores.petorama.net/catalog/EX-3_Large.jpg

1. No flanged neck to be able to clean the whole skimmer easily.
2. No true union for "0" clearence collection cup removal.
3. Small standpipe and 'T' on the DAS
4. Are the DAS as thick of acrylic?

[USC-fan]

1. Its comes with a key lock skimmer cup, same as deltec. I really like this and its so easy to remove.
2. The input pipe is angled so it "spins" the water in the chamber.
3. The input for the skimmer pumps is lower so you don't need the elbows on the output to push the water down. That is the same problem the h&S skimmers have.
4. The water output from the skimmer is higher so you don't need the gate value. Just something less to go wrong.
5. My ex2 comes with 1/3" thick acrylic and its 6in wide.

smackwater
how much did your skimmer cost?

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

1. Oh that is good.
2. So does a skimmer from Orca.
3. That is good.
4. That Sch. 80 1" output is too restrictive.
5. A gate valve does nothing but allow control of water level, which in a DAS is set, so no play. Gate valves do not fail as their is no mechanical pieces, just a piece of plastic that restricts water flow.

[USC-fan]

Must have been a bad picture, i didn't see the angled input.

How is the 1" inch pipe too restrictive? You are only putting about 300gph through the skimmer.

What is the point of the gate valve? If you have the correct water flow[around 300gph] the water height is fixed right where it needs to be.

Eagle have you got a skimmer built by them yet?

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Originally posted by Kb-smoker
Must have been a bad picture, i didn't see the angled input.

How is the 1" inch pipe too restrictive? You are only putting about 300gph through the skimmer.

What is the point of the gate valve? If you have the correct water flow[around 300gph] the water height is fixed right where it needs to be.

Eagle have you got a skimmer built by them yet?

1. The skimmers on his site are just examples. Whatever you want built, he'll do it.

2.That's just my opinion, may not be correct.

3. "right" .... that is a very subjective thing. A fixed level means the same type of skimmate all the time. No ability to skim wetter or more dry. that is a control I want.

4. Yes, it's been running for 13 days now I believe

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

But it is a great skimmer for the price, you are right.

[USC-fan]

Yeah these are some kick *** skimmers.

"3. "right" .... that is a very subjective thing. A fixed level means the same type of skimmate all the time. No ability to skim wetter or more dry. that is a control I want."

You can control all of this by the value on the skimmer input and the air values for the pumps. So i can have it skim very dry or wet.

[Rip Current]

das/diy skimmer

[PrangeWay]

DAS are just the older model deltecs under licsense, even to the pin wheel and pump.

PW

[Freds]

DAS is not Deltec. I own one of each and I can assure you that there is a BIG difference between them. The impellers are very different, the Needlewheels are VERY different, the shaft and gromits are different and the Aquabee pumps are NOT interchangeable!

The Deltec is FAR superior to the DAS although the DAS is good for the money. Stay away from the BX models they are junk. The EX-2 is good but the EX-3 wattage and cost wise isn't worth it.

Eagles there is more to a skimmer than the way it looks. What's important is the pump and impeller + the amount of air vs/ volume of water and the space and time it has to react in. The Deltec APF600 for example mixes TINY bubbles in a very small (relatively) space. The body is complete opaque, solid like the background of this page. You won't find that on a DAS skimmer.

Also you can control the water height on a these skimmers by use of the air tap. More air = wetter skimmate , less air= dryer skimmate. You can also add more or less water throughput as well.

[Goodwood]

My buddy with a DAS is always impressed with how my Deltec produces. There for sure is a difference, but for the money a DAS is great; ive used a few.

[hahnmeister]

The DAS are built under liscence from Deltec. The deltecs started going with the eheim pumps because the pumps were easier to mod with the larger outputs = more lph of air. In the EU, the aquabees are considered rather crappy pumps, like a RIO over here. Im sure its just a 220v thing (220v pumps need more windings and if they dont they tend to run warm... a non-issue when running a 220v design on 110v). But it did factor in to Deltec's EU sales to switch to the eheim.

See... H&S and Deltec own the patent on the eheim pinwheel in the EU (they share it), so only they can liscence it out.

Kb-smoker... You said...
"3. The input for the skimmer pumps is lower so you don't need the elbows on the output to push the water down. That is the same problem the h&S skimmers have."
This is not an advantage or disadvantage. Having the pump up higher means more lph of air, and then you can aim the outlet down in the skimmer to extend the dwell time. If the pump is lower, yes, you dont have to angle the pump outlet down (it might be too low then), but you get less lph of air. There are certain skimmers that have the pumps up high on the skimmer, with their inputs down low to create a downdraft between the output and the intake... this is another method of getting more air into the skimmer because the pump's air intake once again is higher.

Im just saying its all relative. The best in some people's eyes may be a bubble plate, but this might mount the pump so low on the skimmer that the air intake of the pump is hindered more than its worth.

Which would you rather have, an extra 200lph of air or an extra 6" of height/dwell time? Its a trading game.

[USC-fan]

Originally posted by Freds
DAS is not Deltec. I own one of each and I can assure you that there is a BIG difference between them. The impellers are very different, the Needlewheels are VERY different, the shaft and gromits are different and the Aquabee pumps are NOT interchangeable!

The Deltec is FAR superior to the DAS although the DAS is good for the money. Stay away from the BX models they are junk. The EX-2 is good but the EX-3 wattage and cost wise isn't worth it.

Eagles there is more to a skimmer than the way it looks. What's important is the pump and impeller + the amount of air vs/ volume of water and the space and time it has to react in. The Deltec APF600 for example mixes TINY bubbles in a very small (relatively) space. The body is complete opaque, solid like the background of this page. You won't find that on a DAS skimmer.

Also you can control the water height on a these skimmers by use of the air tap. More air = wetter skimmate , less air= dryer skimmate. You can also add more or less water throughput as well.

The das and H&S skimmer use the same pump/pin wheel. They are 100% the same and i don't think anyone would say the H&S skimmers can't keep up with deltec.

Here is my ex-2 in action....
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[DeltecRules]

DAS aquabee's are not modified like deltecs. Deltec has changed the internals to run more efficient than the DAS aquabee's. Check this thread out with someone trying to use a DAS aquabee 2001 to replace the deltecs one on his APF600. There is an actual difference according to the user. Apparantly the Deltec aquabee's have a larger internal chamber than DAS. I don't think DAS utilizes a Flap to help the impellar spin properly on startup since I believe thats new deltec technology. I could be wrong though.

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1090523

[USC-fan]

Originally posted by DeltecRules
DAS aquabee's are not modified like deltecs. Deltec has changed the internals to run more efficient than the DAS aquabee's. Check this thread out with someone trying to use a DAS aquabee 2001 to replace the deltecs one on his APF600. There is an actual difference according to the user. Apparantly the Deltec aquabee's have a larger internal chamber than DAS. I don't think DAS utilizes a Flap to help the impellar spin properly on startup since I believe thats new deltec technology. I could be wrong though.

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1090523

Yeah, there is a difference between the deltec and DAS, but there is not a difference between the DAS and H&S skimmer pumps.


Also if you read that thread you would see the guy was using the wrong pump. He was using the BX pump and should have been using the EX. There is a big difference and that is why he was having problems.....

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

Originally posted by Freds
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Eagles there is more to a skimmer than the way it looks. What's important is the pump and impeller + the amount of air vs/ volume of water and the space and time it has to react in. The Deltec APF600 for example mixes TINY bubbles in a very small (relatively) space. The body is complete opaque, solid like the background of this page. You won't find that on a DAS skimmer.

Also you can control the water height on a these skimmers by use of the air tap. More air = wetter skimmate , less air= dryer skimmate. You can also add more or less water throughput as well.

1. Obviously, but NONE of the things i pointed out were cosmetic

2. How?

[DeltecRules]

Originally posted by Kb-smoker
Yeah, there is a difference between the deltec and DAS, but there is not a difference between the DAS and H&S skimmer pumps.


Also if you read that thread you would see the guy was using the wrong pump. He was using the BX pump and should have been using the EX. There is a big difference and that is why he was having problems.....

Still Deltec pumps are modified beyond what DAS does to there pumps which they do nothing to it. Which makes Deltec's a far better performer than DAS.

[Creetin]

How much scfh does the deltecs aquabee's pull? I'll hook up a air meter to the das aquabee's tomarrow and report what i find.