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02/03/2004, 10:14 PM
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This is really interesting! I'm still trying to figure out what you are trying to do, but what I have read so far, it sounds very interesting. I don't think I can help you at all. If you need a skeleton I may be able to send you one, not sure. 1 lfs around here ALWAYS gets them in. Another got in the first one I have seen in a while it was doing "OK" for the first 2 weeks, now, I see it is struggling. It may finally parish soon. I have never owned one my self. But this is very interesting, I would love to help, but don't really think I can. Just keep me in touch with the progress. Thank you very much, as this will be a very interesting and knowledgeable thread to follow.
Kelly
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02/03/2004, 10:30 PM
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let me know in anyway that i can help/ I just read the entire thread and it will be a spectacular project. I belong to pmas, a local reef club, maybe we could pull togeather some money, or find some one with a healthy/unhealthy coral? But let me know about the one in the pet shop. It is not dead, just started to decline a few days ago. It is one of the smaller ones i have seen.
Kelly
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02/03/2004, 11:25 PM
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Sam:
I am interested, but want to make sure this is the right condition...sounds like it might be. Can you send me photos? On the skeleton, yes, I would be happy to take the skeleton if it died from the condition. On donation amounts, anything helps, even if only to cover a couple hundred mls of a chemical or to pay postage on a sample being sent. Please also consider the list I posted of the manytypes of non-financial contributions to this project that can be valuable with a little legwork at local stores. As for PMAS, please bring this thread up to your group at the next meeting. See if you guys can visit the local stores and persuade them to send the sick ones to me...we all know they will die in all likelihood. Yes, please ask if the clubs (any of them) can contribute funding, corals, or any of the other items listed in the initial posts of this thread. Thanks again everyone, and if at any time I fail to thank each of you personally for your support or effort, I apologize now because every stitch of effort means a lot and I deeply appreciate it. I have just posted some photo links at the beginning of this thread to compare healthy and diseased examples.
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02/03/2004, 11:58 PM
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Eric:
I assume that you feel that we are dealing with some type of pathogen as the causative agent? I took a look at those pictures, very interesting to see the changes. This appears very much like a "shut down" type of syndrome, for lack of a better term. Do you know if this will spread from a sick coral in a tank to healthy corals in the same tank? You also mentioned that you have not observed this condition in the wild. So, can we postulate that it may be a result of collection, transfer, and contact with other corals/organisms, or a combination of these? I'm anxious to learn what your findings will be! Thanks for the time.
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02/04/2004, 12:11 AM
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Eric,A couple specimens just arrived at LFS,They were from Bali,I noticed a tiny little crab similar to a gall crab only smaller.Is this common?They are being held to see if any are showing symptoms.I have arranged to purchase one and will keep you posted.Would a healthy one or diseased be of more value to you at this point?
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02/04/2004, 12:44 AM
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Dave:
Hang on to that crab!! That can go in alcohol. This may be an issue. If you can send photos prior to purchase let me know. I want to keep a scorecard of donated speciments so we don;t get more than we have to, esepcially in terms of healthy ones. Once we reach the 5-10 number of healthy ones, we shouldn't spend any more resources on those. I have one of them in my tank, of course. Maybe we can put a running tally on the developing website? Steve: I have no idea if it is a pathogen, but it is certainly possible, and I just don;t wnat any cross contamination if it is a component. As for contagion, I have no idea but will find out this I assure you. I suspect that the white web is secondary, bacterial, and probably contagious. I don;t think the initial condition is, except maybe to other elegance, but I don;t know. That's why we are doing this. Steve, also, as for our problems with email, I am going to pm you via the forum with all the email I have sent that you haven;t gotten.
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02/04/2004, 12:45 AM
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Oh - and if someone does want to set up the site, give me the server addy and any passwords so I can work on the site, too, if you want. If no one has the space/time, then I can do it on my page, too, although space will likely be limited as I have really packed that site already and have lots to go.
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02/04/2004, 01:39 AM
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Okay all you reefers out there! Eric is starting to get corals and this project is rolling. Had bad would it be for all of us to encourage Eric to roll on this and then leave him stuck holding the bag for all the cost?
I noticed there have been 352 views on this thread so far. If we had only $10 for every view, we'd already have all the money needed for the first phase of this project. Who out there wants to be part of making a difference????? I'm still waiting to see who will have the honor of being the very FIRST contributor to this Elegance Coral Project. How about you? I can take PayPal at crpeck@midsouth.rr.com Just note the payment for the Elegance Project in the message. Or you can send a check to: Elegance Coral Project c/o Catherine Peck, CPA 6387 Brooks Manor Cove Memphis, TN 38119 I will post THANKS and congratulations on this thread for every donation I receive on Eric's behalf. Big or small ... it all adds up. THANKS!!!!! Cathy |
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02/04/2004, 08:05 AM
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Ok, I will send out my $10 today for you. I will also send an email out to pmas members to see if we all can't help in some way, or some people can go to stores to see if we can get them to donate the sick corals to you.
Are you interested in the DYING elegance coral, or do you want it when it is finally dead? One affect would be their are many many red flat worms in the tank. It looks like the tenticals are all deflated and pulled in, and it sticks its mouth or center out. It really dosn't look good. Kelly
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02/04/2004, 12:24 PM
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Got the address.
Elegance Coral Project c/o Catherine Peck, CPA 6387 Brooks Manor Cove Memphis, TN 38119 But who should the check be made out to, Catherine?
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02/04/2004, 12:58 PM
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I think you can do either. I'm planning to put "Elegance Coral Project" on the Bank account, but since we're not formally set up as a organization yet, the account is probably going to have to be under my name for now.
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02/04/2004, 05:31 PM
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ok, i will be going to the lfs soon. I will see what they can do about the elegance.
Kelly
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02/04/2004, 07:56 PM
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Sorry I spelled your name wrong.
Actually, you all may not want me to put your names? Sorry if you didn't. For the future, please let me know with your donation how you want me to acknowledge. THANKS for the help so far! Cathy |
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02/05/2004, 12:11 AM
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No problem, Kathy. I mean Cathy...
now we're even. Eric: FWIW, I have an apparently healthy elegance in my tank since May of 20003. Not real anxious to part with it of course. If you need an illustrator/designer's help with the project let me know. Good luck.
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02/05/2004, 08:08 AM
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Anyone with photgraphs or high quality images of Elegance Corals (healthy or not) please send them to me at spollock@carolina.rr.com so that they can be included on the website we are setting up for this project.
Please only send me files in .jpg format so that I can get them on the site without too much editing. Also please provide accurate tank information (size, water params, lighting...etc) and photo credit info. The site is active but still going thru some changes so bear with me for a few more days. http://www.reefobsession.com/ecp |
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02/05/2004, 09:13 AM
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Randall: Hold that thought. Let's see how we do with acquisition. If healthy tissue becomes a problem, maybe a little snip of tissue as described in the description would suffice. We may not need it at all, but thanks for the heads up.
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