Montipora Issue

[NewSchool04]

I have an encrusting Montipora that's not doing that well. I'm wondering if it's because of the light change from 150 MH to 250 or something worse, like the monti nudi's. Pic isn't great but here it is.
Any ideas?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/NewSchool04/CIMG3128.jpg

[rickyfins]

try a magnifying glass for checking for nudis. If you can move the coral pick it up and turn it over to look for egg patches near the edge of the coral. They are sometimes yellow, white, or orange. You have to use a good magnifying glass though or you wont see them they are very very small. As for the light the wound doesnt appear to be caused by the light. I would look at night with a red light. I had a crab or 2 eating monti in my tank up until about 2 weeks ago and I only found them once the lights were out. They would just munch and munch. I used my tongs to grab them but I did have to remove 2 15lb rocks to get them. LOL

thanks,

Rick

[NewSchool04]

Are the adult nudis small enough that you have to use a magnifying glass? Does this look like the damage nudis would do?

[menard]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8000664#post8000664 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NewSchool04
Are the adult nudis small enough that you have to use a magnifying glass? Does this look like the damage nudis would do? I try to return your PM earlier but it won let me.
Anyways, Nudis usualy dont start in the middle. That something like salt flake accidently drop,that acumilates along the top rim of your tank.
If it is a nudi. they will target the underside of that monti frist and work there way up. Its big enough to see this ( kinda like Berghia nudi that eats aptasia only smaller , white, baige , or pinkish )

[NewSchool04]

Yeah menard, my box was full, I cleaned it out.

The monti is in the middle of the tank so I'm not sure how I would have gotten salt creep on it. It's getting bigger and bigger, not rapidly but noticible throughout the week.

[menard]

Can U still able to take'em out ? brush'em off , dip the Q-tip in lugols and apply that onto the infected area then place it back in the tank.

[NewSchool04]

If thats what I have to do, then I'll do it. There are a couple of other acros on the rock but thats no worries if I'm just dabbing it and putting it back.
Do you think this coral can fight this or do I need to be pro-active? Now I have to get some lugols also!

[menard]

Are U sure its a Nudi.,do U see any ?
Yes! they can fight it, If thats only irritation from the salt.
Nudis. no!, U have to eradicate all of them or they will
sneak back at you.
What kind of Wrasse do U have ?

[rickyfins]

Don't forget to view it at night to see if something else isn't eating it! Could be some MONSTER worm or creepy crawly thing that hides all day, I have seen that happen also. The red light works wonders to find things in the dark. I wouldn't be dead set on nudis just yet! Look for other things too.

Thanks,

Rick

[NewSchool04]

no wrasses and I am not sure if it's a nudi. I don't see anything and I've been looking but I haven't taken the rock out yet.
I thought you were saying that it might be an infection and the lugols would treat that.

[NewSchool04]

Thanks Rick, I need to get a red light.

[menard]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8001095#post8001095 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by NewSchool04
no wrasses and I am not sure if it's a nudi. I don't see anything and I've been looking but I haven't taken the rock out yet.
I thought you were saying that it might be an infection and the lugols would treat that. Yes! lugols would take care of that.
You should buy 1 wrasse at least, any Halichoeres family will do. They protect the corals and clams as well.

[NewSchool04]

I'd have to get two, one for the 30 and the 75 even though they are plumbed together I would think. What type of wrasse would be good in the 30 cube that wouldn't get to large?

[rickyfins]

I would look for the cause before jumping in the car and running to the LFS for a fish you may not need, and that may unnecessarily increase the bioload of your tank and then further put your inhabitants under horrible stress. My opinion, find the cause then decide whether a new tank mate is needed to fix the problem. Not only that, wrasses won't totally eradicate a problem bug they will only keep it under control and that is hopeful too. Eggs hatch at a great rate will eventually cause more problems even though a wrasse is in the tank, but that is if it truly is a nudi problem to begin with. Take a look at night over the next few days and then you will be sure if it is another inhabitant or not.

thanks,

Rick

[rickyfins]

P.S. Wal-Mart has them in the Sporting Goods section. They are included in some lights used by fishermen that strap to your head. I got a three light combo and use it for fishing and fishing in my tank at night for problem bug scouting! But that hardly happens since I found those darn crabs in the tank and killed em.

thanks,

Rick

[NewSchool04]

Thanks Rick, I'm def. going to get one for this and just night time peaking

[ostrow]

Monti nudis don't always start on the underside or the edge. Do you have other montis in the tank?

You will see the adult ones and after you spot them you will see them all over if they are in there. You'll kick yourself saying, "how did I not see these earlier". They will be many and obvious once you identify.

But it may not be them that's causing this.

[rickyfins]

Let me know how it goes with your night time viewing.


thanks,

Rick

[bigbadbasile]

could it be some form of RTN? i know it ussually happens faster than what you described but just a thought

[NewSchool04]

not sure what it is, I'm going to take the rock out tonight and look for the nudi's.
Where can I get lugols? Checked both premium and marine depot, nothing.

[rickyb]

I got some if you are near Park Ridge, just return the unused portion.

[NewSchool04]

thanks rickyb, I'm picking some up a little closer tonight but I appreciate the offer!

[rickyb]

np

[ostrow]

Any pharmacy that does compounds (meaning, a real pharmacy, not a national chain) will make Lugol's solution for you.

[aiko670]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8006357#post8006357 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ostrow
Any pharmacy that does compounds (meaning, a real pharmacy, not a national chain) will make Lugol's solution for you.

Do you just ask the pharmacist for Lugol's and they'll know what that is?

[NewSchool04]

I did my first lugols treatment tonight. It went fine, was surprisingly difficult to dab the solution on the montipora! The damn q-tips kept sticking to the coral. It was hard to tell if I was covering all of the infected area.

I looked closesly on both sides of the coral and saw no nudi's so I'm happy about that!

Thanks menard for the lugols!

[md fishes]

Keep us updated. Good luck.

[Freed]

I believe you are supposed to mix the Lugol's in a bowl or bucket of water and dip the coral in. I could be mistaken.

[rickyfins]

Lugols can be diluted or applied directly with caution. So yea you can do that!

thanks,

Rick

P.S. Glad you don't have a nudi problem

[ostrow]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8006747#post8006747 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by aiko670
Do you just ask the pharmacist for Lugol's and they'll know what that is?

YEP!

[NewSchool04]

I'm not exactly sure how the lugols works but it looks like the areas that I applied it to are totally dead and bleached. I'm thinking that such a strong dose applied directly to the infected areas kills both the infection and the coral underneath which was probably dead already. Now that the infection is gon, I would expect the coral to grow over the dead spots soon.

I could be wrong!

[Freed]

Put super glue directly on the dead spots and overlap into the live tissue and your troubles will be over.

[menard]

Now , just live it alone,he'll recover and encrust over the dead part.

Lugos is a very strong oxidizer, kill all infectious deseases upon contact.:blown:

[yznhmr]

the death could have been caused by low salienity, i had a couple pieces dying like that and it turned out that my salienity had dropped from 1.024 to 1.021 over a week or so once i corrected it everything is re growing..
just my 2c

[NewSchool04]

The only thing stable in my tank is my salinity yznhmr!

[yznhmr]

sorry to hear....

[NewSchool04]

I was being sarcastic yznhmr

[NewSchool04]

Here is the montipora after a heavy dose of lugols. This stuff is powerful but I think in this situation, the right fix.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y222/NewSchool04/CIMG3156.jpg