Just wondering if anyone has/had a piece of the Acropora echinata... [Archive]

Unarce

08/03/2006, 11:57 PM

That's the one, David! The 'B@D@$$' echinata from Aquascene. You ever confirm if it's a true echinata? What are your tank conditions and placement?

by sidog1
oooh.... are you fragging that soon? ;)

by David Lo pan
sure, one million dollars, lol

or a girl with green eyes:p

David Lo pan

08/04/2006, 12:03 AM

yes it is the one.placement is high under 250 10k de ushio, med water flow.

might be fragging soon.

2 girls with green eyes

tacocat

08/04/2006, 12:54 AM

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7875597#post7875597 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by David Lo pan
got it awhile back from James.
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/data/500/115478echinata.jpg

Dang David,

That thing looks nice. It's quite a bit different than the one that tubs fella has :) . His is green with purple polyps.

http://www.exoticreefs.us/repository/tubs3/tubs_aechi-008.jpg

GreshamH

08/04/2006, 02:18 AM

Mine was like Johns, not Davids.

AgentSPS

08/05/2006, 09:29 PM

I have both Tubs' and James' echinata. Look very similar, if not identical, in my tank. I also got 5+ inch wild colony of echinata. It is green with green polyps in my tank but I fragged a piece for my buddy and it is blue in his tank.

Sorry folks no frags for a while.

ViPeR_930

09/06/2006, 06:13 PM

Ok, now I've got a piece of the echinata from James you're looking for. Who knew Ming got a piece? He's been growing it out for a year now. When I got mine on monday, Ming cut two frags, so whoever wants the second frag better hurry!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/ViPeR_930/d95af3b5.jpg

sidog1

09/06/2006, 06:23 PM

i was looking at that today on atlantis' site. i'm not sure if they are the same one. i think this thread is about the white one with blue tips. anyone comment on this?

ViPeR_930

09/06/2006, 06:32 PM

The one I pictured isn't Atlantis's echinata on their site. Ming hasn't posted this one on his site yet as he hasn't released any frags of it until he showed it to me. I have both Atlantis's echinata and this new one that Ming says came from James.
Ming's mother colony of this echinata is only 3" or so after growing for a year. He told me he's going to be selling 1/2" frags for $120.

sidog1

09/06/2006, 06:39 PM

viper, check out the first pic on their sps page. they updated it today. i think that's the one you got right?

ViPeR_930

09/06/2006, 06:45 PM

Oh heh, didn't know they updated it today. Yup, that's the one!

Unarce

09/06/2006, 07:21 PM

Originally posted</a> by ViPeR_930
He told me he's going to be selling 1/2" frags for $120.

Wow! Only $120! That's a pretty good deal. I thought for sure he was going to list it at $150.

Can you guys post a link of the update? Thanks!

Karl

sidog1

09/06/2006, 07:25 PM

here you go karl

http://www.atlantisaquarium.net/sps.html

Unarce

09/06/2006, 07:55 PM

Thanks, Simon! Yeah, that's a sweet deal. I'm more partial to the creamy white with blue tips morph that James originally had, but it's sweet nonetheless.

ViPeR_930

09/06/2006, 08:01 PM

haha you really think it's a good deal at $120? I thought you were being sarcastic when you said he should list it for $150.

Unarce

09/06/2006, 08:12 PM

Nah, I think $120 is a good deal. The only true echinata's in the hobby now are this one, Tubs', and the one on LiveAquaria.

I got the two pieces I have less, but I'd jump on that other frag if I didn't have it. Probably even for $150 (if I could hide the expense from the Mrs.:lol: ).

sidog1

09/06/2006, 08:20 PM

darn, wish i can get it... but i'm upgrading tanks in a month and am not adding anything till the new one is settled. plus i have to get more equipment so i'll be broke :) so how does one get it back to the cream with blue tips? that'd be interesting to know...

Unarce

09/07/2006, 11:04 AM

by sidog1
so how does one get it back to the cream with blue tips? that'd be interesting to know...

Wish I knew. The first time I saw Sand Dollar's pieces, they were brilliant white with royal blue tips. AMAZING:eek2:

ViPeR_930

11/03/2006, 10:53 PM

Just an updated pic from a couple days ago.
Not sure why, but my echinata turned to pale, almost white, with blue tips.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v663/ViPeR_930/DSC_0564Small.jpg

Unarce

11/03/2006, 11:17 PM

That's the way it looked originally, when James distributed it from Aquascene. I like it this way much better.

Here's a couple of mine:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c255/unarcephotos/20061019%20Reef%20Shots/topdown3.jpg

AgentSPS

05/04/2007, 10:15 PM

Selling frags of my Aquascene True Echinata (james can verify lineage). Pickup only please. Frags range from 1" to mounted rock with several good size frags. $100-$200. 5 to choose from. I had a 5" colony which got some cyano in the center adn had to be fragged up. Here are a few macro shots:

<img src=http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL872/4145337/10010664/250416539.jpg>

<img src=http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL872/4145337/10010664/250416530.jpg>

rxx2

05/05/2007, 09:41 AM

Mine looks just like David Lo Pan's. I got it from James a long while back. How long has Aquascene been gone? Sure miss that store.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/rxx2/DSC_0065.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/rxx2/DSC_0042.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y235/rxx2/DSC_0041.jpg

GreshamH

05/05/2007, 12:22 PM

Looks great Ben :) I think it's been nearly two years :(

rxx2

05/07/2007, 10:30 AM

Thanks Gresh.
Got the cube setup yet?

dots

05/07/2007, 11:14 AM

Very nice.......I prefer the white with the dark blue tips myself. Kinda hard to have a partially white SPS without doing something wrong in the process to get it that way.

rxx2

05/07/2007, 11:28 AM

The white part of the branches actually does have a bit of a green hue to it. You can see it in the first pic I posted on the upper half of the coral.

africangrey

05/08/2007, 05:45 PM

what is the difference between the one obtained from James / Aquascene and the ones from Atlantis Aquarium besides the price. They are this 4" aqua culture coloy for $90 instead of 1" frag.
http://www.atlantisaquarium.net/images/spsechmac13.jpg
http://www.atlantisaquarium.net/images/spsech31.jpg

rleechb

05/08/2007, 05:50 PM

The one you have pictured isn't a true echinata, which the aquascene "apparently" is. The one you have pictured is more likely A. Gomezi.

The true echinata has those long bushy radial corallites, whereas the gomezi has short stubby round ones =D.

Both are very nice, imo, but are certainly different.

rxx2

05/08/2007, 05:51 PM

spencer everything OK? here's some reading for you
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=561396&perpage=25&highlight=echinata&pagenumber=1

africangrey

05/08/2007, 11:42 PM

Ben,
Every thing is doing fine, after dipping and cluing down it was almost 12 midnight just in time before my wife came back last night.

Thank you very much for the frags of echinata, most importantly for giving me frags of purple monster and superman denae as freebies. Hopefully they will encrust in no time and grow into nice colonies in 2 years just like yours.

I will take a picture of those frags after I try out that 3 day no light thing that everyone in RC is raving about.

Thanks again,

Elite

05/08/2007, 11:52 PM

What about the 3 days no lighting thing?? :D

africangrey

05/09/2007, 12:09 AM

Here you go, it does great to both your tank and wallet.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1078532 (http://)

Elite

05/09/2007, 12:28 AM

cool, thanks man!..

sorry for the little highjack guys :D ..

dots

05/09/2007, 03:26 AM

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9905674#post9905674 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by africangrey
Here you go, it does great to both your tank and wallet.
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1078532 (http://)

That thread is painfull to read, every picture of the original mother colony isn't shown, nor Sand Dollars.......considering the lore are reputation of this piece, it would be cool to see a picture of the original mother colony that Aquascene had......or have I already and not realized it Karl? You must have one floating around?

Sparkss

05/09/2007, 09:48 AM

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9905769#post9905769 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Elite
cool, thanks man!..

sorry for the little highjack guys :D ..

It was the Thread of the Month from this month's Reefkeeping online mag :). Definitely an interesting read. Still can't decide if we are going to give it a go or not. So far we don't have the issues that were noted that it helps with, but the overall "water quality" comments are enticing :). Our lighting costs about $3 per day to run, so that is almost a ten-spot to keep them off for 3 days, but not really enough by itself to justify the excercise :).

GreshamH

05/09/2007, 10:32 AM

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9906118#post9906118 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by dots
That thread is painfull to read, every picture of the original mother colony isn't shown, nor Sand Dollars.......considering the lore are reputation of this piece, it would be cool to see a picture of the original mother colony that Aquascene had......or have I already and not realized it Karl? You must have one floating around?

I do not recall any pics of the OG colony that James had. Maybe cached on his old site.

Sparkss

05/17/2007, 12:42 AM

We are going to be moving our frag up off of the sand bed this weekend... any advice on placement for lighting and waterflow ?

Mr. Ugly

05/17/2007, 12:53 AM

I have mine in the prop tank under about an inch of water. 20k 250w Radium down low over the tank. I've got moderate flow in that spot. Probably could use more.

I've had it about 1/3 down in my 72g before. Didn't color well there.

Sparkss

05/17/2007, 10:54 AM

wow, that much light, huh ? Guess I will go higher than our original plan and see what happens. I just wanted to make sure that we don't screw anything up with this coral :). Too expensive and way to hard to come by.

africangrey

05/17/2007, 11:47 AM

Tom has yours encrusted yet, the one I got from Ben finally did after a week and half in my tank. I have them up high with indirect flow. Is yours blue/purple through out, mine are cream/white with blue tips.
I have to agree that it's one of the most expensive frags I've ever paid for, but hats off to Ben who also included frags of superman monti and purple monster at no cost.

By the way, how have the frags you got from me been doing, I hope they have encrusted by now.

Spencer

Sparkss

05/17/2007, 11:52 AM

ours so far is blue/purple throughout. I hope that we got what we were after and that it colors up "properly" eventually, although any echinata should be nice.. the ice/fire one (cream/blue) was what we wanted. Ours is still on the bottom of our tank (still pretty high light, comparatively). I will check to see if it is encrusting yet, but the last time I check I did not see that it had.

Unarce

05/17/2007, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by dots
it would be cool to see a picture of the original mother colony that Aquascene had......or have I already and not realized it Karl? You must have one floating around?

I do have a pic of the original colony, but I feel I shouldn't post it since it's not mine. It basically looks like Ben's piece, though;)

Sparkss

05/17/2007, 11:58 AM

how much flow does your's get Karl ? It is pretty high up there for light, if I recall, wasn't it ?

Sparkss

05/17/2007, 12:04 PM

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9961631#post9961631 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
ours so far is blue/purple throughout. I hope that we got what we were after and that it colors up "properly" eventually, although any echinata should be nice.. the ice/fire one (cream/blue) was what we wanted. Ours is still on the bottom of our tank (still pretty high light, comparatively). I will check to see if it is encrusting yet, but the last time I check I did not see that it had.

The more I look at the various pcture in this thread the one we got doesn't look like hte same as the cream/blue echinata out there (referred to as the ice/fire on a couple of sites). I am not even talking about color, but the growth pattern just looks different to me. I did hear that there were several echinatas that came out of Aquascene, I suppose that the one we got was from a different strain/line ? Any thoughts on that speculation ?

Unarce

05/17/2007, 12:05 PM

I keep it up pretty high up, but I keep the flow very low so the branches don't get thick.

Unarce

05/17/2007, 12:23 PM

Caveat:

I have a mini colony that's about a foot lower than the main colony, and it's the same color. So, I don't think lighting is as important as flow. Although, the blue tips were more intense under my Ushio bulbs. Not so much with the Helios I'm running now.

Sparkss

05/17/2007, 12:31 PM

Thanks Karl...I am procrastinating moving it up currently because we plan to bring the new skimmer online this weekend and I am hoping for a cleaner, more clean tank/water column. So to avoid any additional shock from clearer water (more light penetration) I was going to wait until I had a better guage of how the tank will reacto to the new skimmer (and the suqsequent plumbing changes, that should also help to minimize/eliminate any current micro-bubble issues).

AgentSPS

05/19/2007, 09:27 PM

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9961714#post9961714 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Sparkss
The more I look at the various pcture in this thread the one we got doesn't look like hte same as the cream/blue echinata out there (referred to as the ice/fire on a couple of sites). I am not even talking about color, but the growth pattern just looks different to me. I did hear that there were several echinatas that came out of Aquascene, I suppose that the one we got was from a different strain/line ? Any thoughts on that speculation ?

Hi Tom-

Rest assured it is the original Aquascene true echinata. The original mother colony was a cream with blue tip color but had just come off an 18+ hour plane flight. The original colony was not much larger than a golf ball when James fragged for me. My colony has taken on the 'fire and ice' morph from time to time but usually only when something was wrong with the tank chemistry. I personally believe the 'normal' and probably original color is green core with blue tips/corallites sometimes extending down the branch. That said I was able to get about 6 frags out there in different tanks so we will see what colors others experience.

Sparkss

05/20/2007, 01:45 AM

maybe/hopefully some of those people can chime in here for placement and colors :)

You had it pretty hight up yourself, but how was it for water flow in your tank Erik ?

AgentSPS

05/20/2007, 04:09 PM

Probably less than 8" from surface under 400w 14K Reeflux on PFO HQI. 1 foot away from about 3500 gal/hr flow. Still did not prevent core from STN which was the reason I fragged the 4 -5 inch colony I had. I will probably never let it get that size again because despite the high flow the colony still choked itself with dense growth pattern.

dots

05/21/2007, 12:42 AM

I have had it for a few weeks and is responding well to being placed 4-6" below water line directly under a 250W DE that is another 6" off the water. I have had good luck getting "problem children" to color up in this spot and am testing it out here to see what I can get from it as I was told it likes and can tolerate higher light.

Too soon to tell, but is developing a higher contrast between the blue and white, but my other colors are a bit faded (BB tank and got busy with school).......when I get the whole sytem back in tune I will get back to you......my goal is to get it like the pic Karl has been teasing us all with.

Unarce

05/21/2007, 01:48 PM

I sometimes wonder if my Ushio 14k had the same sort of 'funny effect' that Reeflux 10k has? Since I'm running the Helios now, my pics just come out entirely blue:mad:

For reference, here's how it looks in a pitch black room with just camera flash only:

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c255/unarcephotos/echinatas/flash.jpg

dots

05/22/2007, 12:10 AM

Still good enough for me.......a white based coral that is supposed to be white, other than the ones I create by the usual methods, is unique to have IMO. Top that off with the blue tips......still looks good in my book.

BTW, Atl has that one now.........I think you should get one just for fun!!!

Speaking of fun, post that pic in the SPS forum and ask what you should do about that RTN........but Im just in a crazy mood cuz its my last week of school and may be the only one who would find that fun to watch the thread develop due to the rare coloration.

africangrey

05/24/2007, 08:01 PM

As Promised I am posting frags of Echinata from Ben who got it from James at Aquascene. It's placed high directly under 400W XM20K, with moderate flow. The tip has lost some color hopefully will regain it's luster in time and grow as big as Ben's 4' colony.
Tom, does yours look like the one shown below.
[IMG]http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/spencerwu/EchinadafromBen.jpg

Sparkss

05/24/2007, 10:11 PM

Spencer, no, it is much thicker, almost tort/stag like in appearance currently. more like this one on ATL's web site : http://www.atlantisaquarium.net/images/spsecheteal.jpg

hopefully it will grow out more like yours :) We are still waiting on our skimmer to break in and stabilize before we move the echinata frag up in our tank.

We already had a minor bleaching event on a frag or another coral that is placed pretty high up in the tank. This skimmer really pulls the garbage out of the water and cleans it up. :) So we are taking our time with our last round of frags, the echinata being one of them. Hopefully we will have the moved up and coloring up sooner than later :)

brianbigoats

05/24/2007, 10:25 PM

here is mine
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u311/brianbigoats/IMG_0494.jpg

africangrey

05/24/2007, 11:01 PM

Brian, mine looks exactly like yours, did you get it directly from James.
How big was your frag and how long did it take to get to this colony size?

Tom, The one on Atlantis' web site doesn't look like a echinata not even come close to James' exact lineage. Is the frag bleaching out and losing the deep blue color, the one AgentSPS posted looks blue through out. Perhaps your 6'6" skimmer is pulling too much gunk out, want to trade with my fully moded ASM G3 :) hehe.

GreshamH

05/24/2007, 11:42 PM

Bali and Indo both label a lot of stuff Echinata. 99% of Dinar seem to be miss labelled :( James bought countless colonies in order to get that one.

Sparkss

05/25/2007, 01:22 AM

Spencer, Our echinata frag is not the one bleaching, it is on the bottom of our tank with several other frags, waiting to everything to stabilize. The one that started bleaching was a different coral and happened to be the highest placed coral in our tank. It was sort of expected, to a certain degree, so no worries :), but thanks for your generous offer :D