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cerreta
04/16/2006, 01:19 AM
The new T6 bulbs arrived today and I had them installed within an hour. For those who are unfamiliar with these bulbs, they are tauted as the next generation T5HO bulbs. They actually feature the same 5/8� OD with thicker glass compared to the T5 bulb. The major advantage to this bulb is that it has the same G13 Pin Configuration as he T8 and T12 bulbs. Therefore, one who wishes to change over from the T12 VHO’s can easily do so without buying new endcaps.

The bulbs must be run on T5 compatible electronic ballasts. I use an IceCap 660 ballast which will overdrive the T5HO and T6HO lamps. The T6 bulbs are sold in 24�, 36� and 48� standard lengths. I purchased the 48� bulbs and they are rated at 55watts. The 48� T5 bulb is rated at 54watts.

T6 lamps come in 50/50, 6500k, and actinic 03. For more info on the T6 bulbs avalablity check out http://www.naturallighting.com/order/store.php?crn=591
Larry is the point of contact. Shipping was fast and service was very good. He also sells on ebay, for a bit cheaper than the $20each on his website.

I used a LUX meter to record lamp output comparing the new T6HO lamp to the 9 month old T12 VHO, results are below.

For additional information, I read about these bulbs in the new Delbeek and Sprung book, The Reef Aquarium Vol 3. This book is a must have for the DIYer or anyone who is building a new reef. Anyhow, the authors claim that the T6 is more efficient and produces higher PAR levels compared to the T5 and run at a lower operating temperature too.



Here are my Observtions with the bulbs:

I purchased four 48� T5HO 55watt lamps. Two were 50/50 and two were actinic 03.
The bulbs are stamped F55 ( I guess this refers to the wattage) T5.5. The 50/50 bulbs are stamped 14750K, while the actinics are stamped Blue.

Outside Diameter is 17.8mm (measured with micrometer). I have never owned T5 bulbs, so if someone out there has a micrometer, please measure your T5 and post the OD of the bulb here. Thanks.

The bulbs feel heavy, in fact they feel heavier than my T12 bulb, although I did not weigh them.

The T6 are very bright. They remind me of the power produced by power compacts. They seem to produce a lot of radiant heat and are difficult to look at, like the PCs. The VHOs do not hurt my eyes when looking at them.

The overall appearance of the T6HO lamp is “cool� in color temp, compared to the T12 VHO, which I rate as “warm.�. For those unaware of the meaning of this, I will try to explain. Warm colors appear as reds, pink, and yellows, while cool or crisp colors appear as blue or white. I often thing of 14k and 20 k MH lamps to be blue, therefore they are cool in color temp. The T12 VHOs are known to be very warm. This color often showcases the fluorescent colors of corals very well. Tanks with VHO lighting often look pink and purple, compare to the blue hue given off by MH lit tanks.

Anyhow, the T6 is bluer than the T12s. Not too surprising, but I do detect more radiant heat from the T6 lamps compared to the T12. This was surprising to me. In fact the lamps felt hot to the touch, like Power Compact bulbs. How do the T5 bulbs feel when touched?

The linear lamps produce fairly consistant LUX readings when moving the recorder horizontally from one end of the bulb to the other. This does not occur with MH lamps. The LUX is very strong when directly below the lamp, but is reduced greatly when moving horizontally away from the lamp. Therefore, any flurouscent lamp can provide consistant tank coverage if enough bulbs are used.


Here are the Results:

I used a LUX meter to measure lamp output. The lamps were mounted in the canopy with no reflectors. The Lux meter has an 8� piece of eggcrate attached to the light meter recorder. This is the distance at which the recorder is at when measurements were recorded. Measurement was taken of two bulbs at a time. This is done because it is not possible to isolate the recorder from the adjacscent lamp. Pics will show how they are mounted. The Lux recorder was moved horizontally from one end of the bulb to the other several times. The highest repeatable measurement was recorded. There was one 50/50 and one actinic bulb measured at a time.

Front VHO T12 URI lamps with internal reflectors, 9months old 50/50 and actinic = 8450 LUX
Rear VHO T12, URI lamps with internal reflectors, 9months old 50/50 and actinic = 8880 LUX

Front T6HO, new, 50/50 and actinic = 7900LUX (w/reflector draped over top of bulbs = 10,010LUX
Rear T6HO, new, 50/50 and actinic = 7600LUX (w/reflector draped over top of bulbs = 9,880LUX

MH 250watt Reef Fanatic Electronic ballast with 4mo old Phoenix 14k bulbs = 31,500LUX



Conclusion: My readings in The Reef Aquarium led me to believe that the use of T5 and T6 bulbs could replace the use of MH bulbs and that they were more powerful. According to the LUX measurements, I do not see that possibility. I must admit, that the use of reflectors did increase LUX by about 40%. This was a crappy reflector that I just rigged over the bulbs. I think a proper reflector would be very helpful. I will likely buy a few and repeat the recordings.

I am also tempted to invest in some T5 lamps just to see for myself, which lamps produce more LUX. I also want to feel the difference in radiant heat.


REVIEW OF BLUE LED 25 bulb 110volt LAMP
I also purchased a 25 lamp LED blue light that uses 110 volt and screws directly into an ordinary light socket. It produces an amazing 5550LUX. The incandescent blue 25watt bulb produced a mere 110LUX.

Here are the pics you have been waiting for. Enjoy!!!

Blue LED lamp
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20001.jpg

http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20002.jpg

Here is the old incandescent blue 25watt moon light bulb
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20008.jpg

http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20010.jpg

Here is the new LED lamp. Note how this has a narrow focus of projected light, unlike the incandescent wide dispersion pattern.
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20012.jpg

Tank shot of the LED lamp./ I took a shot of the incandescent, but nothing came out, the bulb was too dim. BTW, this lamp really brings out fluorescent colors in the corals. Super colors!!! Can’t detect this in the picture.
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20014.jpg

cerreta
04/16/2006, 01:20 AM
Here are pics of the T6 and VHO lamps

T6 bulbs
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20022.jpg

Canopy shot with VHO lamps in place.
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20031.jpg

Canopy shot with the skinny T6
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20032.jpg

Close up pic of T6
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20034.jpg

Tank shot of T6 with no flash
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20037.jpg

Tank shot of T6 with flash
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20038.jpg

Shot of T6 bulbs lit up
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20042.jpg

Here is a recording of 500LUX when the meter was on the coffee table, 6 feet away and 4 feet lower than the T6 lights. I was surprised how this light disperses. The VHO lamps produce about 10LUX in this situation. No flash.
http://members.cox.net/starin/T6%20and%20LED%20Lamps%20044.jpg



Hope this was helpful information

Purple Haze
04/16/2006, 01:54 AM
Great info.

otterpop510
04/16/2006, 02:44 AM
thanks for the comprehensive review..

dhoch
04/16/2006, 06:35 AM
It's a good review, but a PAR meter would be a better measurement tool.

I think you would find a much greater disparity between the VHO and the T6 on a PAR meter (just based on the frequencies being mesaured).

Dave

nebraskareef
04/16/2006, 08:32 AM
Excellent review, thanks for taking the time to do this, I only heard about T-6 bulbs a couple days ago, so this is all news to me.

Daniel

Putawaywet
04/16/2006, 10:16 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7185684#post7185684 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cerreta
Conclusion: My readings in The Reef Aquarium led me to believe that the use of T5 and T6 bulbs could replace the use of MH bulbs and that they were more powerful. According to the LUX measurements, I do not see that possibility. I must admit, that the use of reflectors did increase LUX by about 40%. This was a crappy reflector that I just rigged over the bulbs.

I also think I'd have to agree that a PAR meter would provide results that we can make better use of. (at least for our purposes) However, I totally understand that you used what you had available to you. Regardless, I think you made a good attempt at getting some numbers out there and look forward to seeing more in the future.

As for any upcoming comparisons.... would it be possible for you to take a measurement with a pair of 50/50's insted of having an actinic in the mix. Either that, or a daylight bulb combined with an actinic. Given the 2 bulbs you selected I'm not surprised by the numbers you came up with.

Couple other suggestions... to increase the accuracy of your data you are really going to need a set of quality reflectors mounted to those flourescents. Since your MH setup includes a built in reflector if you don't have something comparible for those T6's you won't be comparing apples to apples.

I'm thinking a pair of 50/50's with a decent reflector will have some pretty good numbers. Especially when you consider that they are putting out less then half the wattage of your MH.

Brett

xtrstangx
04/16/2006, 10:30 AM
Where did you find the LED bulb? That looks like a worthwhile moonlight to me..

Large Polyp Dave
04/16/2006, 10:43 AM
i don't get it..

what's the point of getting T6 setup over the already well-established t5?

You are also wasting 1/3 of the light on your new setup since you don't have proper reflectors that are already available on T5 setups already.

Scuba_Dave
04/16/2006, 11:59 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7186819#post7186819 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Large Polyp Dave
i don't get it..

what's the point of getting T6 setup over the already well-established t5?

You are also wasting 1/3 of the light on your new setup since you don't have proper reflectors that are already available on T5 setups already.

If the T-6's are better, then why not buy them instead of the T-5?
I imagine the same reflectors could be used for T-5 vs T-6
He had VHO setup, not a T-5 setup

Since there are already people running T-5 instead of MH, not a big jump to say that T-6's could replace MH

Nice write-up & test. At the rate I'm going LED's will be in full use by the time my big tank is setup

One source for LED "bulbs"
http://autolumination.com/home.htm

dhoch
04/16/2006, 12:28 PM
Definitly reflectors are one the reasons to use T5 or T6...

The advantage of T6 is that they fit in existing T12 (VHO) fixtures....

Dave

dvanacker
04/20/2006, 06:30 AM
The will fit in the fixtures but the gromet for the water proof endcaps will be to big. The pins are the same...the diameter isnt.

dvanacker
04/20/2006, 06:42 AM
The will fit in the fixtures but the gromet for the water proof endcaps will be to big. The pins are the same...the diameter isnt.

cerreta
04/20/2006, 11:28 PM
what's the point of getting T6 setup over the already well-established t5?

LP Dave, the others are correct. The advantage is cost savings when switching from T12 VHOs to the smaller, more efficient bulbs. For someone who is not swithcingover, there is little benefit. But, you can save $70 in endcaps and standoffs by going from VHO to T6.

At the present time, I would not recommned anyone just starting out, to buy the T6 over the T5, since there are more choices of T5 equipment available.


It's a good review, but a PAR meter would be a better measurement tool.
Yeah, yeah, I know. But I am not a professional nor do I want to buy a PAR meter.

The LUX meter is a great tool for measruing light intensity. Lamps that claim to be more efficient produce more intesity per watt. This has nothing to do with PAR levels, just intensity. However, I do agree that PAR values are more useful. I would not be surprised if an article measuring differences in PAR levels between VHO and T5s shows up in the next several months.

My use of a LUX meter is actually to measure the lamp intesnsity when replacing lamps. I record these values and will remeasure the lamp LUX in about 6-9 months, to deterime when the lamps need replacement. I find that VHOs loose about 50% intensity around 8-9 months. I am hopefull that the T6 will be able to last over a year with little loss of intensity, which is one of the major manufacturer claims of why these bulbs should replace the current T12 VHOs.



As for any upcoming comparisons.... would it be possible for you to take a measurement with a pair of 50/50's insted of having an actinic in the mix.

Great idea, Dave. I will do this when I get the chance.




Couple other suggestions... to increase the accuracy of your data you are really going to need a set of quality reflectors mounted to those flourescents. Since your MH setup includes a built in reflector if you don't have something comparible for those T6's you won't be comparing apples to apples.

Oh crap, I know. :rolleye1: I used URI VHO's in the past and they have internal reflectors. With that and mylar film within the canopy, I had little need for reflectors with the old system. In fact I was hoping to change over to the T6 without having to spend $100 on reflectors.

However, I bit the bullet and ordered the IceCap SLR refelctors for $23ea. from ReefGeek
http://www.reefgeek.com/products/categories/lighting/104599.html

They should be here in a week or so and I will measure the LUX levels at that time. I am very anxious to test the claim by IceCap that states this about their reflectors:
"Single T5 parabolic reflector with clips. Increases light reaching the tank by about 300% compared to using the lamp alone."

To recap, my LUX levels for the front set of bulbs produced 7900LUX. IC claims that with the SLR reflector levels should be 300% that value, or 23,700LUX. That would truly be exciting, but I am doubtful. Hell, I would be super pleased if I could get 20,000LUX.




Where did you find the LED bulb? That looks like a worthwhile moonlight to me..

Dude! This lamp totally rocks:D It even produces 5550LUX and that is in the blue spectrum. The only drawback to this lamp is that the light beam is very narrow and focused. I wish it woudl diperse better. I will try to find some dispersion lenses to spread the light about.

The coral fluorescence is amazing at night when the other lights are off.

I bought two lamps from a guy on ebay. He sells the MR16 bulb in two versions, the MR16 12volt, and the MR16 Edison 110volt (standard light socket). I chose the Edison version since it was a quick replacement for my incandescent blue bulb.

However, for those who are good with electrical wiring, you would be able to run several 12volt lamps in parallel and connect them to a transformer. These are probably very energy efficient too.

I paid $11.00 each plus shipping. The sellers BIN price is double that. So, submit him a Best Offer or email him the price I paid and I'm sure he would be happy to match the offer. This is his/her ebay store.

http://stores.ebay.com/Acolyte-Industries-Incorporated

PatrickJ
04/21/2006, 02:19 AM
The amount of moon light that reefers have been putting into their tanks is too much.

Seriously, 20-40 feet down and see how much light there is. Dim blue light.

For example, 2-4 blue LED's is more than enough for a 55 gallon tank.

cerreta
06/03/2006, 12:23 AM
OK, the T5's are here and I installed them tonight. I only bought two of the URI to try them. They cost $22 each at Premium Aquatics. I also bought 4 aquamedics, on sale for $10 ea.

The bulbs:
URI Actinic White and URI Super Actinic

Aquamedic Ocean White 10K and Ocean Blue Actinic

The color appearance as you look at the lamps:
The URI looks pink white compared to the AM which looks white/white

The URI Actinic looks purple/blue compared to the AM which looks blue/aqua blue

The color apearance as you look in the tank:
The AM pair gives a bright effect with yellowish white crisp tones in the water. The black foam had a greenish hue.
The URI pair gives a warmer purple/pink color, while tinting the black foam with purple hues.

I measured the LUX of the bulb pairs and they were comparable.
The URI pair produced 14,500 LUX
The AM combo pair prodiced 15,500 LUX
The AM blue/blue produced 14,500 LUX

As a LUX comparison, the RF 250 watt electronic ballast powering a Phoenix 14k bulb produces 31,500LUX.

All measurements taken 7" from lamps.


In general the AM pair looks crisp blue/white compared to the URI which looks purple/pink/white. In other words, the URI gives that great warm feel that is legendary on the VHO line of bulbs.

Conclusion: I plan to run these as dawn/dusk and at noon time in conjustion with the MH. The MH will run from about 9am to 5pm. The T5 will run 7am to 9am, then noon to 3pm, then 5pm to 8pm.

I will try this lighting regime for awhile. Since the T5 will be mostly viewed for its dawn/dusk feature, I decided to go with 2 AM blue bulbs and the URI Actinic white / Super Actinic. The looks gives a pretty blue/purple tint. I think in order to get a little more blueness I will purchase another URI SuperActinic. I will then run 4 lamps alternating the blue AM with actinic URI.

As a final note, the AM blue looks like a 460nm and the URI looks like a 420nm bulb, but neither lamp specifies the frequency range.

Here are a couple pics:



http://members.cox.net/cerretasaquahut4/TestPhotos110tall%20210.jpg

From L to R, URI actinci white, URI super actinic, AM Ocean blue actinic, AM Ocean white 10k
http://members.cox.net/cerretasaquahut4/TestPhotos110tall%20198.jpg

melev
06/03/2006, 12:26 AM
None of the pictures in the first post work, and you latest images are pretty huge at 2592 x 1944. You must have one heck of a monitor.

cerreta
05/07/2007, 11:28 PM
sorry. I am bumping this for new interest in the T6s. Here is the sale page to buying T6 lamps. The link in the first post no longer works.

http://www.naturallighting.com/web/shop.php?crn=704

EvilE
05/08/2007, 12:01 AM
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9897724#post9897724 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cerreta
sorry. I am bumping this for new interest in the T6s. Here is the sale page to buying T6 lamps. The link in the first post no longer works.

http://www.naturallighting.com/web/shop.php?crn=704 Here's another link for T6 bulbs also:
http://www.aquatraders.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=69

Icefire
05/08/2007, 12:20 AM
Better stay with T5HO, way more lamp choice.
UVL also make T5VHO.