It's Mangrove Time!

[xcreonx]

Red Mangrove Propagules!

These are the ones you want! Already acclimated to saltwater, just plop them in your sump, plant them in your refugium or tank, suspend them to get 'Prop roots', etc...

These are the mangrove trees 'seed'. They fall from the tree into the water and float around until they find a suitable substrate to take root.

These are MUCH hardier than already established plants. These will take root very quickly and will sprout leaves within a few months.

Red Mangroves are extremely beneficial to your reef or fish only tank. They take in nutrients from the water as their food, thus leaving you with sparkling water. They require little as far as lights... flourescents and incandescents will do fine. Metal halides directly overhead might be a bit strong tho...

Here's what you'll receive:
<img src="http://www.goodmorningheartache.com/tank/mang1.jpg">

Sizes:

On average, these seeds are about 4" - 6".. some smaller, few bigger...

Here's a seed right around 6 MONTHS OLD...
<img src="http://www.goodmorningheartache.com/ebay/mangrove.jpg">

More pictures to come!!! Inlcuding one at 1 year old and one at two years old!

Prices:

$2 Each! that's a steal!

Minimum order is 5 seeds = $10 + s&h

---DEAL OF THE CENTURY!:::: One handful of seeds for only $30!!!! That's 20 seeds!!! And shipping is included!! Just ask for 'The Deal"!!

Shipping and handling is a flat rate $5 for any amount ordered except for 'The Deal', in which shipping is included. That is 2nd day USMAIL.

These little beauties will be wrapped and packaged accordingly, so they will arrive fresh and ready to plant!

Paypal is the preferred method of payment...

email or PM me for more info!!!

-Joe

joe(at)creonfilms(dot)com

[xcreonx]

Oops!

Forgot to add:

I am willing to trade seeds for other things...

PM me!

[GreshamH]

Just pods, no roots or leaves, right?

[xcreonx]

correct.

pods are perfect for starting a mangrove setup.. they are hardy, require no acclimation to your tank as they are constantly in saltwater from the moment they fall from the tree.

Mangroves with roots and leaves require acclimation to saltwater if they aren't from a tidal zone where they get covered on a daily basis. this acclimation can cause them to go dormant, lose their leaves, and possibly die.

[jkta99]

by any chance did you get these off of ebay?

[GreshamH]

Being he's in Florida, I highly doubt he's buying them off ebay and reselling them. Plus, look at his sig, 3 of 5 activities listed deal with the ocean :)

[chrisaggie]

xcreonx, I'm not sure if you know or not, but it is illegal to go take these from wild mangrove trees and sell them.

[Agu]

Originally posted by chrisaggie
xcreonx, I'm not sure if you know or not, but it is illegal to go take these from wild mangrove trees and sell them.

Chris, Could you direct me to chapter and verse of regulations prohibiting the collection of mangrove propagules ? I've searched high and low to confirm this oft reported law and can find no regulations that address the collection of said propagules/seed pods. I've also asked people who are in a position to know the laws/regulations and have received conflicting and inconsistent answers.

Sorry xcreonx if I'm hijacking your post but legality of your product sales is a primary concern. Hope you understand that if it indeed illegal we need to know now rather than after any laws have been violated. Hope you understand...

Agu

[chrisaggie]

Yes, I will look it up for you and get back.

[chrisaggie]

Ok, the quick answer is chapter 403 verse 121 3d. This states that no mangrove can be trimmed or altered. Taking seeds is considered altering a mangrove. This is because the seed you take may be the one that would grow up to reach a mature tree. Yes, I know that this may be silly since there are a million of those little seeds laying around, but technically that's the law. I'll do some more research into this when I have some more free time.
~Chris

[xcreonx]

these seeds are collected off the beach at south lido park in sarasota. they are washed up in high tide and are lying in the sand.

technically, i am saving these seeds.

i am very protective of our natural resources and, believe me, i would never destroy or otherwise collect protected species for profit.

$2 a piece covers the time and effort for me to collect these seeds..there's really no profit in it.

i had asked a wildlife officer at the dock where we launch out boat if there was a problem collecting seeds and he said i was fine, just dont pick them from the trees, or harm the trees in any way.

so i understand your concern, and i am doing my part for our resources. these seeds can live and grow into trees!!

[xcreonx]

also, in my research (i have been growing mangrove seeds in pots for a years) i cannot find any laws regarding the seeds to these trees.

[Agu]

Does it specifically say collecting seeds is illegal? I know trimming and altering trees has regulations. Are seeds legally considered mangroves ? I would like to see the statute that directly prohibits the collection of propagules/seeds. Implications that seeds alter the mangroves because they might grow into mangroves does not restrict or prohibit the collection of seeds. If it did every kid who builds a sandcastle and decorates it with mangrove propagules is a criminal. I'm not trying to be a jerk but rather trying to find an answer ....

Agu

[xcreonx]

if you go to

http://www.flsenate.gov

and search in the statutes section for mangroves or rhizophora mangle, there is no text about 'seeds', 'propagules' or their collection.

trimming or altering 'the tree' is prohibited.

these seeds fall off the tree, float in the water and wash up on some beaches all by themselves. they cannot grow on beaches like south lido, siesta, lido, etc. this is where i am getting them:)

anyways!

[chrisaggie]

Yes, I think this is good that we figure this out, as I could be wrong about this. In the state law the definition of mangrove is -"Mangrove" means any specimen of the species Laguncularia racemosa (white mangrove), Rhizophora mangle (red mangrove), or Avicennia germinans (black mangrove).

Would you guys not consider a seed "any specimen"? I think I would. After all, the seed is a specimen of the tree

[Agu]

The legal issue is unresolved as far as I can determine. Even a high ranking official of Mote aquarium told me doesn't know the legality of collecting seed pods, but he's never heard of people being arrested for said collection.

However, the propagules wash up on area beaches by the thousands this time of year. As Xcreonex points out they have no chance of surviving and end up drying out in the sun. Is it unethical to collect these seed pods and distribute them ?

Agu

[xcreonx]

Alright guys

Well, the legality of mangrove seeds is certainly a grey area...

and being the responsible adult i am, ( no laughs please..) i've decided to not sell these.

there is no written law that mentions mangrove seeds in florida, however mangrove trees are very well protected. so, be that as they may, some may view the seed as a tree. i don't. but some do.

sorry!

-Joe

[chrisaggie]

I agree that this is silly and mangrove seeds (especially on the beach) should be legal to collect in low numbers. But the law is very gray. I will dig into this a little deeper and try to get a more concrete answer.
~chris

[d34532]

The law is very confusing so that they can spead more tax money so they can talk more about it. In some states allow let you buy pets at the pets store but once you buy it you are commiting a crime if you keep it even within the city in which you get it.

As for the topic of the seed being a plant or not a plant would probably cost mill's of dollar to research if its a plant or not with the outcome haven't no clear answer.

[dbrown]

Common sense tells you a seed is a seed and a tree is a tree. Some bird's are protected as are their eggs, specifically. But then many laws lack common sense.

To me it looks like the point of that law is to preserve the mangrove biotope, which is why the whole thing is about trimming the tree's within specific guidlines. Not one mention of seeds or pods. But, better safe than sorry since there is always a few DNR folk who want to give you as hard a time as they can just for kicks.

[chrisaggie]

I wish is was as easy as "a seed is a seed and a tree is a tree", but it's not. The law does not specifically say "tree" either...it says "specimen" according to the definition of "mangrove".

[Agu]

The collection of propagules is still a grey area, and I don't think there is a correct answer. In real life I doubt anyone will get arrested for collecting a few off the beach, but that doesn't make it legal. But in addition I suspect selling them for a perceived profit could be problematic, even if it only offsets expenses. So, millions of mangove propagules will wash up on Florida beaches, wither in the sun, and die.

Just stating the facts,

Agu

[chrisaggie]

Very well put Agu, I agree 100%.

[xcreonx]

oh well... at least some of them can live on in my mangrove tanks :P

i've had a few batches each year grow into beautiful little trees.

my current batch is in a 50gallon rubbermaid stock. there's probably 500 propagules planted now. i can't wait until next year when they're all a foot and 1/2 tall!

it's funny...hawaii considers mangroves a pest. in florida they're protected like the manatee. interesting!

i love these trees and i'm glad they're protected! i was just trying to spread a little love around :)

[chrisaggie]

Do you have a picture of your mangrove tank, I would love to see it.

[xcreonx]

i am actually in the process of moving to a new house on the other side of town, but i will take one right after i move the tank which should be this weekend.

[gflat65]

While I was in Bonaire for my honeymoon, I was told by a naturalist that I could take the pods. She said it wasn't illegal (there, anyway) and stated they would be killed by the beer drinking natives who party down at the mangrove swamp. I took about 8 and even told customs when I came back through Miami. No problems. That was several years ago and a different place, but...

[Grits 'N Gravy]

i saw some mangrove propagules for sale in the foster and smith live aquaria magazine...can't be all that illegal.

[GreshamH]

Readn they're add a wee bit more, aquacultured from Hawaii I believe it says someplace :)

[Sparx]

Btw, through slow growing, mangroves are not endangered or even threatened. So any laws reguarding the trimming/removal of of the trees/propagules are bound to be fuzzy. It's the same with many other plants. Unfortunately(or maybe fortunately?), as soon as a threatened species is listed as threatened, the laws become very strict.

[chrisaggie]

I just wanted to add that due to the many (some confusing) laws in the state and country many officials do not even know the laws. I have talked with numerous fish and game officers that do not know the collection laws. Better to look them up yourself than to trust someone in telling you the laws.

Also, many places do sell mangrove pods. I'm sure some are aquacultured and some are not. Probably some and legal and some are not. :)

[chrisaggie]

Sparx, a plant or animal does not need to be threatened or endangered to be protected. A great example is bottle nose dolphin. Mangroves play a crutial role in the ecosystmen and must be protected, even if they are everywhere!

[reefez]

Well I would like to buy some from you :)

[xcreonx]

:rolleyes:

[OldmillXxX]

What if someone were to 'give' them away and just charge someone else for the shipping?

I might be interested in paying someone that lives in Florida, and can collect them, the shipping charges to get them up to Wisconsin where we have none. Technically, they are not being sold for profit, just being given away with compensation for shipping charges.

If it is Ok to pick them up, it should be Ok to send them wherever you want to.

Thoughts?

[chrisaggie]

Yes, the fact that you can pick them up and take them if still a very iffy issue. No one seems to know the answer.

[charlie the tuna]

i want seeds

[gcrowptc]

Ok everyone I have 1 seed with roots starting and a bud of a leaf forming I am in Ohio and we have no laws regarding the sale of these awesome trees, I have others of these trees but am keeping for myself as they have 3 or more leaves, I will entertain trades for the 1 extra I do not need, if you are interested pm me or em me through my profile, I have had this 1 for about 6 mos

[mmgm]

All:

If you want to purchase legal Mangrove pods try this....... About $3/pod with roots and leaves already growing......

Enjoy........:D


http://www.coraldynamics.com/Mangroves.html

[Makchell]

I live in St. Pete, it's a little north of Lido. Anyone ever hear of the Gandy Beach? It use to be all mangroves until people starting going there to party. Why waste the energy on a few seeds that are washed up on the beach? Why not close the Gandy area and have the mangroves repopulate the beach there. Or better yet, stop building so many seawalls, just let the mangroves absorb the wave energy, like in the Keys. There are a lot more issues that we can get involved with instead of this.

[johnnye]

They should let the aquarium industry save the seeds, nuture them, and replant them when they get too big ;)

[Omidon4]

The reason that the mangroves are protected is that many birds nest in their branches and many fish and other organisms live about their root system. If the mangroves go bye-bye so do the animals within. Many of the animals that live in/on/about/ the mangroves are endangered.

My guess is that the collection of seeds not attached to a mangrove tree, which is outside of the mangrove forest/swamp (whatever you want to label it, outside of the estuary) is legal. If a pod is floating in the water near or in an estuary it is probably not legal due to the possible rammifications (lack of baby mangroves to take over the old ones). On the shore of the beach is most likely very legal.

However, collection does not include distribution or sales and there may be heavy regulations for that. I'll look into it and see what I can find out.

BTW I don't have a degree but I am a 100% born and raised Floridian native to area with mangrove swamps/estuaries and have taken a courses on the Biology of S.W. Florida. In case you all think I'm just a nut case spouting off (which maybe I am... but I do know some things ;) ).

Anyways.. I'll look into it!

Ciao!

[rustang]

Many of the smaller islands in Tampa Bay were created by using the mangroves, they will actually make more land.. When they dredged the shipping lanes, they made small islands and planted mangroves to keep the silt form eroding back into the bay.. I have also seen the pods for sale at shops here in the midwest, but do not know where they were collected at... There are millions of mangroves in FLorida, I don't think that they are in any danger of them being over collected.. First the manatee huggers, now the mangrove huggers.... Pretty soon you will not be able to boat. snorkel, fish or even walk on the beach...

[Makchell]

I agree with you 100% Rustang. There are more issues to be delt with. So the guy makes a few dollars, who cares?

[chrisaggie]

If it's illegal, I care.

[xcreonx]

Okay folks..this is an old argument, let's not get back into it.

no one's making money or doing anything illegal here.

the intention of this thread to begin with was to offer something most people are getting elsewhere for a ridiculously low price. there was no profit in it for me.

In my eyes, these little seeds were washed up on the beach, nowhere near a mangrove swamp or any growing mangroves for that matter and were baking in the sun. So I saved a few from death and provided some poor reefer like me with something they wanted.

Anyways, it's all done with. the mangrove pods are becoming more scarce everyday, and most of the ones to be found are already dried and dead. so okay.

I am a conservationist in many ways. i grow much of my own food, aquaculture many of my own corals, mangroves, macros, etc and truly believe i am helping these beautiful plants survive (obviously they dont need help from me, just look at the intercoastal waterway). So my intentions were and are still pure.

let's not pervert the reality here and make anyone out to be a bad guy.

thanks.

-J

[gcrowptc]

chrisaggie if you care so much why is it just this thread you are posting on? there are many other threads selling mangroves out of the Florida area and have seen no post from you on them, my mangroves came from Florida, the retailers around here that have them ( not mentioning names as they are sponsors) surely did not propogate them and bought them most likely from a supplier in Florida.

I would really like to see what the # of seeds that fall into the water actually grow into trees vs the # that never make it and wash up on beaches or where ever and are doomed to rot

If I were an enviromental scientist I would be more concerned about the collection of fish and corals and the methods used to do the same, not to mention the true enviormental issues of pollution, I could go on and on but why? it seems you have a major problem with people saving doomed seeds or pods, that true aquariusts are looking to save,granted most of these will never make it back to the wild but even if 1 in a million does it is 1 more than before.

We Aquariusts are just trying to have a perfect enviorment for our reef tanks with as little chemical interaction as possible and every day are looking for more natural ways to do our tanks and at the same time fragging corals to save on the wild stock, making big strides in captive breeeding,. My question to you is how many Mangroves do you have in captivity to do research? and if you have any than research and collecting for that purpose must be legal ? Yes....Enough said I am Done

[chrisaggie]

I do not post on every thread because people like you do not and will not listen. I personally do not have any mangroves for research, but I am sure there are some. Sometimes small sacrifices must be taken to gain much. I think we have beaten this issue to death. Selling them illegally (if it is) just because someone may think is it legal does not make it right. Ignornace is not an excuse. If someone in Florida does want to sell these a call to the local water management office would probably get an answer.

[gcrowptc]

ok so you still have a problem with people saving doomed seeds, how sad, and btw have 30+ yrs in this hobby first SW in 1974 and for years specialized endangerd lake victoria cichlids and breed numerous almost extinct varieties with the hopes that lake victoria could some day be reclaimed and if not the fish would at least still exist in captivity, so don't even start with me that I don't listen or care

[chrisaggie]

I too have bred those Lake Victorian cichlid, so I know where you are coming from. Morally I think we could all benefit from taking mangrove seeds, but legally we are not sure if we can or not. We need to respect that. I think we should just leave this thread alone now.

[gcrowptc]

My last thought was some of the Lake Victorian Cichlids we have bred and possibly saved from extinction was there a grey area in collecting them also?

[chrisaggie]

no

[gcrowptc]

I give up, you know it all

[Omidon4]

The laws may possibly be very strict because of the length of time it takes a mangrove to grow. Do some research it will take a long time for a pod to become a huge tree that you see. No one apparently knows if it is legal or not. I personally have some... they fell in my dads boat during a storm and he collected all the gunk from the boat and I rescued them from curbside pickup, but I doubt that anyone will be able to confirm if it is legal or not. No one is mad at you for wanting your aquarium to be nice, but lets make sure everything outside the box is nice before we put the box ahead of the rest. Anyways.. just something else for you all to argue about :)

Zac

[jims47]

Since a unborn child isn't considered human and there are no laws protecting it, making it perfectly legal to terminate it, I don't think that seeds from a plant could be protected either since it is just another form of non life until it burst forth from it's sustaining entity. Not meant to cause or otherwise start a argument etc. just a thought a possible argument to law enforcement authorities if caught with them.
Jim

[Zooguy]

Pods, Pick them off the tree and youll get arrested. Pick them up off the beach and who is going to bust you. Thousands wash ashore here in west palm. I have set up a tidal pool instead of a fuge and have foot high trees now.
Who is going to get in there car and come to your house and arrest you for selling "sea beans". They will get laughed out of court. Now if they have a picture of you in a mangrove tree, youre screwed.
Hug a tree not a seed.

[xcreonx]

well my friends, it looks like the seeds are becoming more scarce as the days progress..... it looks like this debate will have to wait until next year, when we can open it all up again!

Meanwhile, the collected mangrove pods from this fall have since sprouted into wonderful little trees, with nearly 100% survival. ( i lost 4 pods out of about 300!) they are happily growing in 50gallon rubbermaid stock tanks and thank me everyday for saving them from certain death on the searing sands of south lido beach.

i alone saved hundreds of them. imagine if we all could save something beautiful once in a while. thanks to all who understand.

[Omidon4]

Three cheers for Creon, the guy (or gal, couldn't tell which) who had the "cajones" to save the trees! G/L with them. Maybe you could start a post on how you're raising them and how well they are doing. I would be interested in seeing your success!

Zac

[Ludwigia73]

A couple years back, I had this same question pop up. I called Florida Fish and Game Commission, and the answer I got was if the seed has a root or roots or a leaf or leaves, it is no longer a seed and is in fact a seedling. Once they show ANY signs of growth it is illegal to collect. He then proceded to tell me that the grey areas are at my own risk, but a decent lawyer could "get me off" pretty easily. I don't want to go to court, so I just collect the bare seeds. No problem as of yet, years later.

[cintroa]

Well I am glad that you guys started this tread because even though it took me a half hour to read about this darn Seed. I learned something not to take a seed off a tree because I could be arrested. Hopefully next time I visit florida a few will wash up ashore.

Thank you guys for the information and the nice laugh I got over a seed... And if you guys could post some more info on them that would be lovley.. I have nothing better to do.. LOL!

[Ludwigia73]

Since everyone knows so much about them... I got one that had a tiny green spike and some roots sticking out the bottom about 1/4 in. Put it in my fuge, and the spike turned black. Is it dead, or could it come back???

[blueoceandiver]

it is leagal to collect on the beach if not rooted, but not in a tide pond or brackish inercoastal.

[Omidon4]

That I don't know... Mine haven't turned black.. but there are 2 types of Mangroves in Florida... Red and Black.. so maybe black ones turn black... (ummm that's just a guess from outer space). I wouldn't pitch it yet. Though in plants... usually black is not a good sign. Still, I had a banana tree turn black (neighbor's actually) he threw it away in the woods and it sprouted a new one (so I took it and grew it, and eventually gave it back). Point there is.. life is funny if you give it a chance!

Zac :)

[wrasstaman]

Do you have any more mangrove pods for sale? If so please PM me.
Thanks,
Wrassta

[ninhsavestheday]

do you have any mangroves left? if so pm also. =)

[VinceLightning]

im interested too

[hemostat]

dont worry gcrow, many have tried to converse with aggie to no avail, he has done everything, seen everything, and yes, knows everything.

Thanks for the info blueoceandiver, exactly how I recall it being for many years.

[Juan-Carlos]

Well actually hemostat Aggie does know everything, I personally call him a God.. And you sir should learn how to appreciate some one of his incredible intelectual power. As for me I sit here and pitty the ignorant fool who just mocked the famous aggie. All I can say hemostat is, the fleas of a thousand camles will infest your arm pits.

Happy holidays,

-Jc ;)

[xcreonx]

sorry guys, no more mangroves. next year tho! we'll start this all over again :P

[Treeman]

There is actually 3 kinds of mangroves. Red, Black and White. The one you guys are after is the Red. Has a long thin pod and has stilt roots.

[xcreonx]

yeah, red mangroves is what i was sellin' :)

[Omidon4]

Would you happen to know the distinction between the three?

[xcreonx]

There are actually more than three types of mangroves, but the 'three' you spoke of have seeds that look like:
Black Mangrove seed:
<img src="http://lamer.lsu.edu/projects/coastalroots/images/plants/blackmangrove.jpg">

Red Mangrove Seed (sprouted):
<img src="http://www.dannesdjur.com/bilder/rhizophora_mangle_2.jpg">

White Mangrove Seed:
<img src="http://aci.mta.ca/Courses/Biology/R.Ireland/Mangrove%20copy/whmangprop.jpg">

these are all from the web, not my images.

[xcreonx]

Black and Red mangrove seeds are very common here floating in the water. red being the most abundant. white mangroves grow more on land, not in the water, so they aren't as useful, for our tanks i mean, as the red.

i do have two black mangrove seeds growing in my sump/fuge. it's doing well.

here's all you need to know:

http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/southflorida/mangrove/Profiles.html

[Treeman]

I don't know of any other mangrove species.

The red is very prolific in the south florida area.

[xcreonx]

There are many different species all over the world. such as:

-Red, stilt or spider, mangrove (Rhizophora stylosa)
-Grey mangrove (Avicennia marina)
-Orange mangrove (Bruguiera gymnorrhiza)
-Looking glass mangrove (Heritiera littoralis)
-Cannonball mangrove (Xylocarpus granatum)

and many more

There are actually 65 recognized species of Mangrove plants belonging to 20 Families

http://www.epa.qld.gov.au/nature_conservation/habitats/mangroves_and_wetlands/mangroves/

[Treeman]

I meant in the US that we would use. Are there any others here? It would be wrong to bring a seed from a new species into the US.

[xcreonx]

I honestly dont know. I dont THINK so.... as far as i know the Red mangrove is the only useful one for our tanks. I know the black ones will grow in the tank, as i have two growing now, but i cannot find any good info on their 'filtering' capabilities.

However, this is my uneducated guess. i'm sure someone knows more about this (?).

and you are right, it is very wrong to bring foreign species of any plant or animal into the US, or any country for that matter.

[xcreonx]

I know there is the 'Buttonwood', which is considered by many to be a mangrove, or a relative of the White mangrove. We have them here in Florida.

[chrisaggie]

Originally posted by xcreonx
and you are right, it is very wrong to bring foreign species of any plant or animal into the US, or any country for that matter.

I'm not sure if I would go that far. After all, most of the corals we have in our tanks is foreign animals.

[Lincutis]

I have these in my fuge overflow and they are growing great rrots. I will be moving them to plant in sand in sump very soon...Highly recommended

[xcreonx]

ok, let me rephrase...

i don't think it's right to import invasive species such as mangroves, corals, fish, inverts, etc., into an environment they aren't naturally from and could cause harm to the indigenous life... if that makes sense.

ie: don't import a starfish from indonesia and let it go in the Gulf of Mexico. Our tanks, i feel, are different, if we can be mature enough and keep it contained.

i know that red mangroves are an invasive species and are treated as such in australia.

so, it just boils down to responsibility.

[Treeman]

Chris,

It is a lot different in bringing corals than bringing plants in. A coral could be thrown on the ground or taken to the dump and no harm done. You bring seeds from something that is not allowed to be here then drop it on the ground or plant it in your yard because it is "pretty" then you have a big problem.

Don't get me started:)

I see this every day in my business. Melaleuca, Schinus(Fl holly), Carrotwood, Bischofia...etc...

The buttonwood is not a mangrove but I could see why people would group it that way since it grows in the same intertidal zone.

[ladybug_Montreal]

Great Thread!!!

Now what to do with all of these pods that wash up on shore. Now wouldn't it be nice to put these pods into pure ocean water, let them get there roots going, go back to the beach and plant them. I can just hear it now.....not in my back yard you don't. All these rich folks that would have an obstructed view of the ocean and the beach.

Just a thought

Dorothy

[818]

Cough Cough... Have you moved yet? :D Im wanting to see those pictures really bad!!!!:D :D :D

[xcreonx]

Hey guys. This thread is from last year. I decided not to sell any this season for many reasons, mostly I just didn't want to deal with people :P

I still collecct them and keep wthem myself, just not selling them to anyone.

My F1sh R D34D!: I did move and transplanted all of my mangroves into buckets and pots and sold many of them. I can post a photo of them in the buckets tomorrow... gotta get my camera from the studio :P

Ladybug_Montreal: If you ever get up here to Sarasota, check out the northern tip of south lido beach park. There is a small cove and inlet where people kayak. Look in the ground and you will see hundreds of little mangrove plants growing in the sand. Many of those were me and some friends doing what you described. many little trees were saved those days :)

[ItsMee]

Read this whole thread in hopes to see a pic...what happened?

[tang1]

I go to Florida every year and always find pods on the beach. I've asked FWC about them and was told it's perfectly fine to pick them up. Going there next month and am sure I'll find a ton as always. I'll bring some home for you all. PM if you want any.

[xcreonx]

tang1: you wont find any next month. they dont drop until the fall an they are all but gone by now.

[xcreonx]

Here are some red mangroves collected as seeds this last september. They've been growing outside in these buckets in peat moss and sand since we've moved.
<img src="http://www.goodmorningheartache.com/newtank/mangrovebucket.jpg">

[Luvabull]

pretty! what do you do when they root, and start growing when you live in the desert?? They won't grow in our outside. How long can they be in a fuge before they need to be planted?

[MarineTeng]

lol, i read this whole thread curious to the legallity and hoping they'd be on sale, thinking of trying to spread some in my area, o well, looks like i'll have to spend a bit more

[xcreonx]

Yeah, I posted this thread 1 1/2 years ago to sell some seeds. I did sell quite a few too. I stopped because I was sick of the debate. I still collect them for myself. Oh well. In the fall (Aug, Sept, Oct) they are everywhere down here, so anyone ambitious enough to walk on the beach could get their own bucket-full.

Luvabull: They will root and grow fine in your fuge for years if given the right conditions. They don't need to be replanted for a long time. They've always grown slow for me in the tanks. When they're outside with natural sunlight and heavy Florida rain, they grow exponentially faster. BTW, I would read above for opinions on transplanting trees and plants where they shouldn't be. Keep them in your fuge or tanks, and out of the ground.