Purple Monster Madness!!!!!!!!!!

[nysbadmk8]

Ok everyone. I think this purple monster frag fest ive seen lately Is nuts! The last frag on Spsfrags.com went for 425 DOLLARS!!!!!!!! and the 3 before that went for 175 ( what a steal ) 225 and 280. RM has 4 pieces of PM the normal sized frag is 300 bucks, but whats even more crazy is a NUB, 1/4 or less NUB! is selling for 85 bucks. I think this is absolutly nuts, and i do think a few people are taking advantage of the current situation. What do you guys think?

God bless the people who bought those frags!

[invincible569]

I saw those!! I cant believe how HUGE/POPULAR this Purple Monster is getting!! I guess Steve T can be very proud of himself :)

[SPStoner]

I agre that it is nuts that anyone will pay this. I don't care who's name is on it. I've been known to place some $400 or $500 dollar orders for corals, but that is for whole colonies (plural)!!!

I don't, howver, think anyone is taking advantage of the situation. Nobody is getting their arm twisted into paying anything. If I thought the PM was cool looking, I might even be tempted, but I don't find it that attractive. I saw cooler looking stuff at a frag swap this weekend, IMO.


$85 for a nub......I bet it sells, too! I wonder how much that piece of organ pipe skelton that the nub is resting on will sell for? It did touch a Tyree PM......:D

[AgentSPS]

If I read another pm thread I am going to puke:sad2: :worried: :uzi: :furious:

[aquariumclown]

Originally posted by AgentSPS
If I read another pm thread I am going to puke:sad2: :worried: :uzi: :furious:
Get your bucket ready. PM aint going away anytime soon. IMO.

[nysbadmk8]

right out of left feild this stupid Pm!

[Mustang]

Yea but that includes shipping LOL
That is crazy the little 1/4 nub..... Better make sure you don't use to much glue

[longahan]

I dont get it.What is it about the PM that has everybody all woked up to spend all that money?

[aquariumclown]

Most people would agree that it is an outrageous price. So was the time when a rich Canadian that bought Barry Bonds (I think) autographed baseball for a cool 1 Million dollars.

[aquariumclown]

Originally posted by longahan
I dont get it.What is it about the PM that has everybody all woked up to spend all that money?

I'm guessing it's fundamental economics --> Supply & Demand.

[longahan]

Now i have another thing to blow my mind.A mil for a baseball.Ok but there seems to be a big supply of them lately and still $400.

[eums]

every one should buy my "Nick C LE pink&green Monster" frags are only $80.... haha

here is a picture of it though.
http://members.aol.com/moraleislow/greenpink.jpg

i think it looks better than the "purple monster" but that may just be beacuse i have it and not the Pm

[longahan]

I must say that is nicer than a PM to me also.

[WyldeBLS]

Well, I've seen some purple monster, and most of the time it's really, really nice. However, the "frags" over at R---M--- are typical o2manyfish frags: microscopic, and drab colored.

[longahan]

Ok whom ever bought it show me this frag,Its got to be huge.

[Diatom2]

The worst thing about the PM is how often it RTN's

[moflow]

a frag of the PM is listed on a site for $1000. IMO that's ridiculous, but the market sets the price. if people are willing to pay that, then the price is fair. if not, the price will fall.
personally, i'd rather buy a new digital SLR than a 1/2" frag, but that's just me.

[slobound]

Hmmm... I have a lot of frags from o2manyfish and none of them are small or drab. I did shell out for a PM myself and maybe I'll get flamed for spending the cash on this one from o2manyfish but I think it's a large frag for PM (about 1 1/4" tall and about 1" wide). I'll let you decide for yourself but I don't consider this small or drab considering what it is.

[longahan]

I think that was a joke or a way to turn people away from it.

[PDQ]

Well, the way I look at it is that the people who bought the PM for that kind of prices probably make a couple hundreds grands a year for a living, so that price is like changes for them (unlike us the average people who only make a decent living and have barely enough spare money to buy corals). It must be nice to be able to afford that. If I'm rich like them I probably will spend that kind of money for it too since it's like spending 75 cents for a soda. I do also agree with alot of people, it's not that pretty. There are more prettier corals out there, but they do not get the hype and publicity like PM.

Now I need to win a lottery so that I can buy all the rare corals around and then tout that only I have the limited edition and nobody else has them. What a feeling :bum: :smokin:

[WyldeBLS]

well, i spent 50 over at o2many's once. Never again. I got an "electric blue millepora", and a red polyped pink digitata. The millepora was 1/3", and has doubled, but is completely brown, even since day 1. The pink digitata was so small, that it got knocked over by a crab, fell in the sand, and was gone forever. money well spent. I'd take pics of the mille, but I gave it away because it's worthless, and colorless.

[moflow]

Originally posted by longahan
I think that was a joke or a way to turn people away from it. nevertheless, the frag is listed. a better way to turn people away would be to not list it at all. that said, if anyone has the money to burn on a PM frag, more power to them. i wish i had that kind of cash :)

[unsped]

its not even a good looking coral imho

[schanz]

I'm with unsped.

I don't know what people see in it. It doesn't even make my list of corals I want.

[WyldeBLS]

i think it looks pretty nice here, even though the lighting's dim:

http://www.dynamicecomorphology.com/purplemonster2.gif

[nysbadmk8]

its the "gotta have it" factor its rare, its expensive.. so some people think that makes it worth it, and some people think, hey ill buy this thing now, make it grow and sell my own 300 dollar frags.

[montepora]

I like my PM a lot, it is a nice looking coral and does make me feel good that I have a piece especially I am able to provide ideal environment for it.

[coralite]

Originally posted by WyldeBLS
Well, I've seen some purple monster, and most of the time it's really, really nice. However, the "frags" over at R---M--- are typical o2manyfish frags: microscopic, and drab colored.

Sounds like someone's got issues w/ dave. I dont but I made him an offer and never got a reply, so much for customer service. I guess the highest bidder is the most qualified to own it. One thing that struck me is how much was available at one time, very unusual for this coral. Also I have saved dozens of pics of people's PM that they posted and although the shape is consistent, the color is very pale compared to all those I have seen. It definitely doesnt do justice to the "monster" I have come to know. Id like to see pics of these frags awhile from now for comparison.

[Digi]

Purple monster

http://www.infinityltd.demon.co.uk/impages/purple.html

[o2manyfish]

Hey Folks,

These prices are ridiculous that are being paid for the coral. I agree. But I don't set the prices, the guys interested in the coral are.

I received about 250 offers for the 8 corals I made available. If I didn't respond to a couple of peoples queries or offers I apologize.

I also posted that I was having problems getting decent photos because of problems with my camera. The following photos were shot be Greg Rothschild for me this past week. These photos were shot outside in the rain on Friday afternoon. GregR is the moderator of the Photography forum here on RC and has been published in a majority of popular Aquarium Publications.

httP://www.o2manyfish.com/o2manyfish_frags/Purple monster/pm_gr.jpg


httP://www.o2manyfish.com/o2manyfish_frags/Purple monster/pm_gr2.jpg


That should resolve the issues of color and size of these frags. For those of you not familiar with the usual frag size of a PM it is usually a single branch and under 3/4". For PM frags these are Monster sized frags.


As for WyldeBLS comments about me having tiny frags... Come on. My frags are good sized always. You didn't spend 50 bucks at my house and get "just" a blue millie frag, and a monti frag. Plus I am sure you got a couple of free frags as well. And you knew the size of the frags before you bought anything, you would have been standing right there in front of the tank, I would have told you how much the frag was and showed you the frag you were going to get before I cut it.

Dave B

[WyldeBLS]

Well, I'm just speaking from my experience. I'm not the only one that has been turned off by frags from o2manyfish, however. I think he's a great asset to the reefing community, as far as helping out, setting up frag swaps, giving out free pumps, etc. However, I do have an issue with his frags, as many people do. It's no mystery that o2many is in fact trying to make money off of his frags. But it is rather disheartening to ask for a 25 dollar frag from one of his 10" colonies (purchased for 15-25 from the wholesalers), and have him cut off a 1/4" piece that's destined to make it into the sandbed and disappear forever. Here's a pic of an "electric blue millepora" in my tank. This is a month after I received it from dave, and it had doubled in size and encrusted (prior to giving it away). The frag directly behind it is an albrolhosensis from mr. bennett, and the mille in front of it was from awexotics, just for reference.


http://www.eneat.com/albums/55-gallon-mixed-reef/DCP_1187_001.jpg

[WyldeBLS]

btw. You asked me (as well as others I have talked to) whether I wanted a 10, 25, or 50 dollar frag. I opted for 25, and what you see if what I received. I didn't say anything, for I didn't want to be rude or start a scene.

[Vapor]

Don't say anything bad about dave or his boys will start to flame you..................beware

[Vapor]

Another example of shameless self promotion. O2many do you need a job I need a salesman. Anyone who can take a post about how small his frags are and turn it into a full color advertisment is pretty damn smart.

[jackson6745]

http://www.infinityltd.demon.co.uk/images/purple.jpg

[WyldeBLS]

i'm off to the gym. Continue to post your thoughts please. I'll be back soon.

[o2manyfish]

Wylde,

On the Blue milli they were offered as small frags only. Here is a photo of the entire colony - It's sitting in 4" styro cup for reference.

Before I clipped any frags off that coral, I showed people exactly what branch they were going to get. You picked out your frag, from the actual colony from my outside frag tank.

So if you feel you spent too much for a coral after the fact, I am sorry for your hindsight. But the corals were sitting out in front of you. You asked to purchase the coral. And you knew what you were going to get before it was fragged. It's not as if you got home to find a surprise.

As for the coloration. The people that have purchased that milli that I have kept in contact with have had no problems.

Vapor, thank you for the compliments. But I will pass on the sales position.

Dave B
http://www.o2manyfish.com/pics2post/wylde_milli.jpg

[rendeyxu]

guys, chill down.
don't get it into a fight.

[unsped]

imho its not the real market demand driving these prices, its a few people talking it up for the sale. just how companies during the tech boom would buy stock, then send out stock email notices giving a false value of there worth.

people get caught up in the "its so cool posts" "its so cool posts" then they are like i gotta have it, and shell out 200 bucks a frag. then 48hours later they hit their heads on the table.

just like people who reserve corals from people who refuse to take pics of them, and call the frags "ultra blue with red polyps" only to show up with money and hand and be handed a bag of microscopic brown on brown frags.

if frags were cheaper less corals would be harvested, and some good would actually be done. it does not cost more to raise a purple monster than it does a brown cap.


imho of course.


this isn't a flame against prop places that are clearly businesses. i just think people should really be thinking about the industry and where its headed. we should be trying to get as many frags out there in the world, and pushing end-user propigation so that one day we might have a self-sustaining hobby based on aquaculturing.


highly expensive frags are dangerous to the industry because it makes wild caught specimins of the species sought after.

[AlgaeMan]

All I have to say is that I got a steal for that 175.00 :) So far I've managed to keep it alive for a month..

[nysbadmk8]

ok boys, you guys can **** on another thread. or in Pm's all i want to hear about is what you think about the Pm's prices lately

[rendeyxu]

i just took a look at rm's page, 85 dollar for a 1/4 inch size tip???? crazy.

[nysbadmk8]

algaeman, has it grown or encrusted yet? hows the color? show us a update pic

[gcarroll]

Originally posted by WyldeBLS
Well, I'm just speaking from my experience. I'm not the only one that has been turned off by frags from o2manyfish, however. I think he's a great asset to the reefing community, as far as helping out, setting up frag swaps, giving out free pumps, etc. However, I do have an issue with his frags, as many people do. It's no mystery that o2many is in fact trying to make money off of his frags. But it is rather disheartening to ask for a 25 dollar frag from one of his 10" colonies (purchased for 15-25 from the wholesalers), and have him cut off a 1/4" piece that's destined to make it into the sandbed and disappear forever. Here's a pic of an "electric blue millepora" in my tank. This is a month after I received it from dave, and it had doubled in size and encrusted (prior to giving it away). The frag directly behind it is an albrolhosensis from mr. bennett, and the mille in front of it was from awexotics, just for reference.


http://www.eneat.com/albums/55-gallon-mixed-reef/DCP_1187_001.jpg
Do you not think Dave should be compensated for his time. If what he is doing is so wrong why don't you get a wholesaler's licence so you can go to the wholesalers and hang out with the rest of the people there who are also in it for the money. The reason dave's frags aren't $5 is because you are paying for his time, gas, electricity and well as his losses. What Dave offers if a chance for many reefers get a peice of the a coral that they have admired but could not afford the colony. If we were not so cheap, we could all got to Reefer Madness and just buy the whole colony, which by the way came from the same place as Dave's. Wild colonies sometimes loose or change color from tank to tank (I am assuming that the frags you got were not tank raised). I have corals that I have had for 6 months that are just starting to color up. All acros will color up given the right conditions. You just have to be patient enough to find those conditions.
Dave thank you for having the balls to offer the pm frags in the first place. I would hate to think about what would have happened if they would have RTN'd in your tank awaiting shipping or pick-up. I wonder if the buyer would have compensated you for your loss.

[imbuggin]

you guys are nuts! It almost makes me want to chop mine up and sell it. It isn't even one of the most impressive corals out there. If you think you got a good deal for 175$ you would be ****ed to know I got mine local for $30 and it was twice the size. If it were not so encrusted now I would hack some off and sell it. Though I don't feel it is worth near that price. Many other corals are much more impressive. The other joke of it is that it is know to loose its nice purple shade after being fragged and turn brown. It took mine a few months to get nice and purple.

As far as people talking about the blue milli frags....I have them for a good trade and it will be a nice frag. I have 3 different blue millis. Trades only though I am not in the business of taking advantage of people.

I am also going to see if I can get some more frags of the PM if I do I'll sell them cheaper and see if we can get some on the market to stop this price insanity. BUT don't start sending me messages yet. If I can get them I will post again.

[AlgaeMan]

It hasn't done much yet except for staying alive. The little bugger has been moved 3 times, but its in its final resting spot now.
http://www.myreefworld.com/pics/pm01.jpg

[AlgaeMan]

ok boys, you guys can **** on another thread. or in Pm's all i want to hear about is what you think about the Pm's prices lately

And I bet most of them are bragging about their immitation PM's. There is only one other person I know from the east coast that has a possible small pm colony. I would have bought a frag of that if I knew he had one. So people like me have to pay the price to own one. Does the real PM have orangeish polyps?

[rendeyxu]

i been dealing with dave, fair trade i would say. if you think the frag size is small, don't deal with that guy again.

but this comment really make me sick.

I would hate to think about what would have happened if they would have RTN'd in your tank awaiting shipping or pick-up. I wonder if the buyer would have compensated you for your loss.

[WyldeBLS]

I'm back!

First off, I'm not attacking his price at all. I don't have a problem paying 25 dollars for a decent sized frag. My main point is simply this: It would not hurt to be less stingy with your frags.

If demand was extremely high, that large colony would be considerably smaller. And considering how quickly millepora grows, I doubt that colony took a huge hit of any sort.

I visited a previously named reefer, who gave me rather large frags of his colonies. His electricity bill ran about 600 dollars for the month. However, he simply told me that small frags take a long time to grow into anything significant, since there is so little to work with. Bottom line was, he wanted me to have success with my reef tank.

Finally, I don't mean to attack you personally dave. I believe you to be a valuable commodity to southern cal reefing, and reefing across the nation, for that matter.

oh yeah, btw, that colony of millepora does not look blue at all. Which was one of my points.

[WyldeBLS]

I forgot to add, you did tell me that the frag would be small, but you didn't show me prior to fragging. When I think small frag, I think about 1". The frag was 1/4 of that.

[the tiler]

imbuggin
Im with you this is nuts people got to start trading three hiundred bucks for a frag:rolleyes: the most I ever paid for a frag is 25.00 for a peice of blue tort. that is all I would pay for something like this.
Jason

[WyldeBLS]

rendey, i understand your point. I don't think you understand mine. I'm not saying that o2many should not be compensated for his time, effort, electricty, etc. I don't think that he should be handing out full colonies of acros for 25-40 bucks. I just believe that it is ridiculous to pay 25 dollars for such a small frag, especially when the mother colony was purchased from wholesalers for the same price.

[unsped]

size isn't a huge concern but like wyldeBLS says, people really straight out stretch the truth on coral color. take pics under EXTREME actinic etc...

ive had people REFUSE to take pics without actinic supplementation, as well as people REFUSE to take pics at all.

saying that the customer should have known is rediculous.

chop and shop of wild caught coral colonies is a big nono in many peoples book. most lfs wont even do it.... and they are like the middle passage for corals lol.

[Wilafur]

Originally posted by AlgaeMan
Does the real PM have orangeish polyps? nope, the polyps should be white or tan......however, in my case, half the polyps turned greenish and the other half are still white. :confused:

a pm is, well, a coral. if its not your cup of tea, then so be it. you don't need to buy one. however, if it is your cup of tea then by all means buy a frag. no one is forcing anyone to purchase a frag of this coral.

[o2manyfish]

Unsped,

If your refferring to the issue of color with me and Wylde. He saw the colony in person. There was also a frag from the same colony on display in my Reef tank under 20K's

So before he asked to buy a piece, he had the opportunity to see it under both natural sunlight and under halide lighting.

So in this particular situation, regarding the Milli, the customer did know what the coral should look like.

(Wylde - I understand your point, stop by and I promise to make it up to you. Most anybody that has been unhappy with something I can work things out with, especially since your local and no shipping was involved - And this particular post is in response to what Unsped said and not meant to sound attacking to you - But You come by and I will make sure you leave feeling happy with your previous frag purchase !!!)

Dave B

[unsped]

Originally posted by Wilafur
nope, the polyps should be white or tan......however, in my case, half the polyps turned greenish and the other half are still white. :confused:

a pm is, well, a coral. if its not your cup of tea, then so be it. you don't need to buy one. however, if it is your cup of tea then by all means buy a frag. no one is forcing anyone to purchase a frag of this coral.

you must admit there are dangers is selling frags of this price, namely in promoting legal and illegal harvesting of this coral to take advantage of demand.

you can't say if you dont like it don't buy one. thats like saying, if you dont like slavery, don't buy a slave.

you can't say, i charge what everyone else charges, change has to come from somewhere.

[rehren]

but the market sets the price. if people are willing to pay that, then the price is fair. if not, the price will fall.

are we talking about gasoline, salt, and rice here or are we talking about purple monster frags? we as "responsible reefers" should promote aquaculturing to the best of our ability so that the entire hobby can be supplied without hunting corals from the ocean.

These prices are ridiculous that are being paid for the coral. I agree. But I don't set the prices, the guys interested in the coral are.

you are wrong. you can say that each frag costs $20 and people will buy them for $20 - you as the seller have complete control over the price.

scarcity does not have to set the price here, you can decide between responsible reefing and paying your bills. i understand that time is costly, and that other "hard" costs are involved such as electricity but pricing corals well beyond a reasonable figure does nothing to promote aquaculturing. it keeps the frags out of reach from the majority of people and does not promote the people who buy them to sell their frags for anything less than what they originally paid.

as a side note, i have seen WyldeBLS's frag - both frags were very brown and small to my eyes, and in response to gcarroll, frags should not be advertised as colorful unless they are indicated "will colorup over 6 months time" - that's a fair disclaimer that i wouldn't have a problem with. i've grown tiresome of what color people think corals are,

highly expensive frags are dangerous to the industry because it makes wild caught specimins of the species sought after.
couldn't have said it better myself.

in the future when the reefs are all gone, at least i'll be able to point a finger, and tell my kids what really pays the morgage

[WyldeBLS]

Here's some photos taken from a previous thread of some frags:

Purple w/ bright red polyps:
http://www.eneat.com/albums/album02/untitledad.jpg


Neon green digi:


http://www.eneat.com/albums/album02/untitled.jpg

[WyldeBLS]

Actually, I saw the colony only under natural daylight. I was assured that it was blue, and i noticed a slight hue of blue on one of the tips, so I figured it would color up really well under a pair of 20k's.

Thanks dave. I think I would rather stay anonymous, instead of being an outcast in the reefing community, lol. Either way, I think your offer is a testament to what a great asset to the community you are. I don't have anything to gain, but I would appreciate it if you hooked the fellow reefers up with some larger frags for their money. I think you would see a great increase in your profitability, as frag size is the only major complaint that I've heard about your business. Thanks again

[moflow]

rehren - its simple economics. the price of a good is set by the market, that is, what buyers will pay for it. the scarcity of PM frags forces the price up. as long as people are willing to pay that price, then that is what the frag is worth.
you are bringing morality into the argument. i agree, aquaculturing is the future of the hobby and we need to promote it, but that has no relevance to the current price of PM frags. it's not like we can fill our tanks w/ PM frags, and if we wanted to, we could fill our tanks entirely w/ aquacultured frags. supply and demand are all that determine PM frag price.

[unsped]

de'beers lucrative highly priced control of diamonds created a grey market of blood diamonds. shall we call these blood purple monsters in memory of the wild colonies that will be destroyed because people are creating a similar market condition?

they both sell products at the "market rate" however as we all know from econ101 an oligopoly != fair market.

to get back on track ill stop ranting, you wanted to know what people thought of the price.. i think its dangerous.

[longahan]

What does youre time,electric costs,and all that have to do with the price?Are you people giving different tanks just for the PM,mostly not, youre growing them right along with a coral you sell frags of for $20.Im not interested in buying a PM because i already have one and have had it for along time.I dont give it any better treatment than i give other corals.So its slower growing,If thats the case i have a yongi that doesnt grow well at all,I think my PM grows faster.Just my 2cents

[rleechb]

I completely agree. I don't think of the pm in terms of damage done to coral reefs as a result and such. However, charging such a premium for a coral is absolutely ridiculous. It's understood that the market is obviously not saturated with pm, and it is a slow grower, but 300-1000 dollars for a single frag is a lot of dough to be shellin out. Maybe i'm just a cheap bastid!

[gcarroll]

Originally posted by unsped
size isn't a huge concern but like wyldeBLS says, people really straight out stretch the truth on coral color. take pics under EXTREME actinic etc...

ive had people REFUSE to take pics without actinic supplementation, as well as people REFUSE to take pics at all.

saying that the customer should have known is rediculous.

chop and shop of wild caught coral colonies is a big nono in many peoples book. most lfs wont even do it.... and they are like the middle passage for corals lol.
I have found that unsuplemented photos don't look that pretty. Frag buyers want to see all the pretty colors. I listed all my frags on another websit hoping to get good results because the photos were un supplemented but I was wrong. People wanted to pay less for my frags than the next even though my frags were bigger.

[Wilafur]

Originally posted by unsped
you must admit there are dangers is selling frags of this price, namely in promoting legal and illegal harvesting of this coral to take advantage of demand.

you can't say if you dont like it don't buy one. thats like saying, if you dont like slavery, don't buy a slave.

you can't say, i charge what everyone else charges, change has to come from somewhere. in response to paragraph 1, welp, if it were a wild colony then it won't be a pm right? your point is well taken, but i for one would only want to buy the pm for it has a track record in captivity, not a look alike plucked out of the sea.

paragraph 2....simply ludicrous. thats like comparing apples to durians.

paragraph 3.....eh? i have not ever sold a frag in my life. all my frags have been traded or given away. so does that mean that i am the "somehere" that change is coming from? :lol:

[SohalTang]

1/4 inch frag ? Damn, don't drop that in the sand bed or you will be out of 75.00 :). I bet you it cost more than gold at that rate :)

[andyman]

I think everyone needs to calm down a bit. All this talk about small/large frags, coloration, etc is just getting a bit tiring.

Bottom line: price is defined by Supply and demand. If people think its worth the price then they will pay the price. So PM are the thing to have right now, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I have to admit the price was a little steep for a frag like the PM but I'd rather pay that amount then to not have a piece of it. Having a sample of it to grow is worth its price in gold. How many of us are willing to shell out that kind of money for a chance to buy something we ordinarily can't get no matter how hard we tried?

Dave offers us a chance to get something. Those that can't afford it think its in their right to have something. Last I heard this country is a democracy (ok almost). Are we being extorted for rare corals? I think not, no one has to buy it. $999 for a colony Dave doesn't want to sell? Is that too much money? Probably not if you want a PM at any price but can't find a single vendor willing to sell you a piece.

So lets just drop this thread about PM prices and focus on more important issues, like how the heck are peoples PM doing after receving it!!! Is it coloring back up yet? Is it RTN'ing? The least we can do is share photo's of this gorgeous SPS.



andy

[longahan]

Hold on,your saying if i hade a wild colony that looked exactly like the PM you could tell it wasnt a real PM?That coral is the same coral no matter where its comming from.Whats the differance if its a PM or a tyree PM.Not the corals name, but a person who got that same coral and put his name on it.

[Vapor]

OMG Reefer Madness is in on the action. at 450 a frag a whole colony would have to be worth around (50 frags X 400= 20,000)

[Wilafur]

Originally posted by longahan
Hold on,your saying if i hade a wild colony that looked exactly like the PM you could tell it wasnt a real PM?That coral is the same coral no matter where its comming from.Whats the differance if its a PM or a tyree PM.Not the corals name, but a person who got that same coral and put his name on it. find one first and let me know. ;)

[Vapor]

I don't beleive people are buying this crap. I want proof like frag and newpaper in same picture, full tank shot

[Pineapple House]

On the issue of Dave's frags,
Dave has always been extremely generous. I've never once left his house empty handed, not to meantion free frags (Or, should I say small colonies). I will admit that some of the corals will brown up in my tank, but that is something that usually cannot be avoided, weither you buy the coral from reefermadness or the guy across the street. Other corals I've got from Dave have displayed such beautiful coloration, such as deep blues, purples, or bright yellows and have continued to stay that color. Dave also allows you to see the coral before you purchase it, meaning that he's not trying to rip you off by giving you the smallest frag of the bunch without you seeing it. Overall, I would highly recommend Dave's frags (and any Tridacnids he has for sale, which have all done outstanding in my aquarium), but that's just my opinion.

like how the heck are peoples PM doing after receving it!!! Is it coloring back up yet? Is it RTN'ing? The least we can do is share photo's of this gorgeous SPS.
I received a large purple monster frag from Carlos (Pucci) in Dave's first fragswap in April. The coral has kept its coloration, and after upgrading to 10,000k Ushio's, the color has darkened to a dark purple. Mine has never RTN'ed and has stayed fairly healthy. Because I didn't want to loose the coral while I upgraded my aquarium, I sold my monster to Scott who is currently holding onto it. Eventually once the new tank has settled, I'll receive a small frag back.

Here's my monster:
http://venus.walagata.com/w/spsfreak100/purplemonster.jpg

Graham

[Wilafur]

Originally posted by Vapor
I don't beleive people are buying this crap. I want proof like frag and newpaper in same picture, full tank shot watched proof of life one too many times eh? :D

[Vapor]

Yep

And we have some more PLUGGIN going on.

[Vapor]

hey pineapple that isn't a PM sorry bud............

[longahan]

If I had a whole colony my wedding would be paid for the way the prices look.J/k Man i live in wisconsin every coral is rare up here!!!!!!!

[playa]

Shoot I am prepared to pay $5000 for a PM Colony of 7 inches Wide plus.

Who is selling it?

PM me if you have that PM, I am ready to negotiate.

[longahan]

I wish it was me,thats almost my honnymoon!!!

[pi]

Hell, these prices seem VERY reasonable compared to the offer I received when I expressed an interest in purchasing a frag...

I was on a waiting list for several months when I received an email congratulating me that my name has risen to the top as one of the lucky few who had the privilege to purchase a frag. When I was told the price was $100 for a 1/4" frag, I replied quickly turning down the lucky offer.

It was not long after the original offer I received another email stating he would extend the offer, but this time it it was a "chip" of the PM that he found at the bottom of the bowl after fragging the colony. The "chip" was being offered at the reasonable price of only $75.

I laughed when I heard his colony RTN'ed a short time later. Sorry folks, but what comes around WILL go around!

[SohalTang]

There is a difference between paying 150 for an inch frag and 50 for a 1/4 inch frag. With an inch, you have a chance for it to grow.

Perhaps people are into this more for money then the enjoyment. Look at all the fancy name they give to their corals to jack up excitement. Look at online corals website. Even the brown one were given fancy color. Some dude even sell green ricordia on ebay as multi color. Yeap, brown is a color alright :)

[geshields]

So, I guess I have a humongous colony. About 3 1/2" Tall X 2" wide at base...

I won't say what I paid for it..because people would be #@$ed at me..

BTW Dave (o2manyfish), I have a feeling you no longer have a need for the small frag off mine...

picture in next post

[nysbadmk8]

i really doubt this piece has more than one polpy!~


http://www.reefermadness.us/images/RMD02200098.jpg

[CalciumOverdose]

Holy CRUD
the value of this coral has gone crazy, i remember when i got mine for 10 bucks..haha
i should start fragging mine already then, knowing that its from tyree. HmMMm, i wonder how much i could sell it for...

[playa]

CalciumOverdose

you can sell it for thousands if it is over 7 inches across.:-)

hehe

[o2manyfish]

Hey Greg,

That's still my frag Greg, I am just letting it grow out in your tank :) :)

Once the weather simmers down we can swap some frags back and forth.

Dave B

[Vapor]

THose are not real ones

[geshields]

PM frag that is now fully encrusted...

Colors are off because I had to use flash and only the actinics were on...

[geshields]

Dave,

Sounds good. I will soon have my 180 up and running and it will look bare compared to my 58G...maybe I can just fly out and come by...swap them that way...hehe...ahhh the joys of free flights..

Greg

[o2manyfish]

Greg,

You know you are always welcome to fly in and swap.

Dave B

[CalciumOverdose]

okay.
lets have a purple monster frag swap, ill trade my purple monster for yours :)

[playa]

Is anyone in the mood for trading golf swings?

[o2manyfish]

Playa,

Sorry no golf here, but we are putting together a group to go to the shooting range one afternoon.....

Dave B

[Dog boy Dave]

I bought Frags from Dave and got what I expected. They were all healthy and plenty big. He also threw in a couple of freebies. They have colored up nicely. This isnt a plug, Just an observation. I would do business with him again (That was a plug)
On another note, an aution seems fair to me. But If you notice Steve Tyree doesnt have auctions . He has a waiting list. That would be a way to maintain a price if there was a high demand for something. Funny thing though, I read a bunch of these same kind of comments about the waiting list. Hmm, makes me wonder what the motivation is behind some of these comments. I think I might detect a bit of envy? I am not rich. I drive an old car. Live in a small house. But my coral tank is my passion and I dont mind spending some money on it for a nice piece of equipment or a special frag. If someone has something special I dont mind paying for it. I dont think anyone is going to get rich selling frags, no matter how much they charge.

[playa]

Come here to Florida in the Winter Dave and you can hit all the pellets you want for free. Play in the Afternoons after 2 on moi as well. Two Championship Golf Courses. Or come to Jersey in the Summers and have the same priviledges at a Superb track.

Luis

Waiting on your favorite 5 SPS Dave.

[sberman]

vapor u show your ignorance by saying that is not a pm instead of being such a jerk why dont u contribute to the thread instead of trying to cause trouble on almost every thread you are on

graham the pm is doing good finally starting to get some of its color back

and for u people that dont want to pay the price for one then dont this coral is not only for its beauty but it is very hard to keep and the challange to keep one is part of it as they become bigger that is where the beauty comes in when they are small i agree they are not much to look at but a full coloney on the other hand is amazing

as for o2many,s frags when i get them from him i have to ask him to make them smaller he is more then generous if u are not happy with his frags tell him i know he will make it right heck most of the time with the frags you get u can frag them and make your money back

[coralite]

Yeah Vapor, Y u tryin to diss everyone's PM?

[Old Yeller Tang]

Originally posted by sberman
vapor u show your ignorance by saying that is not a pm instead of being such a jerk why dont u contribute to the thread instead of trying to cause trouble on almost every thread you are on

I concur!!!

[Nanook]

[moved]

[Malcolm_C]

Originally posted by longahan
I must say that is nicer than a PM to me also. \


and it can't die :)

[Vapor]

Am I the only one that sees the pattern here. PM thread started and here come the "guys who only frag for the fun of it but charge 300 dollars a frag" using the forum for there own advertising. It is disrespectful to the advertisers here. Best I can tell they don't even send the 20 bucks to RC and are among the biggest users. Whether it is overt or sub concious........I will leave that to the mods. There are buying, trading and vendor forums. Maybe we need a hey look at what I got forum or a SPS buyers forum. I will quit calling attention to this from now on. We are a community and each one of us is entitiled to their opinion I will respect yours.

[Piero]

People are so silly. PT Barnum said it best...
:p

[Vapor]

He also said there is a sucker born every minute.


I have to agree with you though Piero

[Diatom2]

Originally posted by WyldeBLS
I forgot to add, you did tell me that the frag would be small, but you didn't show me prior to fragging. When I think small frag, I think about 1". The frag was 1/4 of that.

No offence but if you think a 1" frag is small then you haven't bought many frags online. Count yourself lucky to have access to such a large number of locals. Here that frag would cost me 25 plus shipping, by the time were done common frags often cost 40-50 a peice.

[nanocat]

Vapor, you live in Florida. Is there some reason you have issues with what goes on in SoCal? Just curious, as it seems you wouldn't really be a big customer of any frag sellers out here?

Personally, I'm still in the $15/frag buying mode, but for those who want to spend more....it's their money & their tank IMO :)

[Diatom2]

geshields~ If you like I'm headed out to cali in 3 weeks I could personally deliever your frags for you....and all I'd ask for in return is a PM for my own little tank. Yours is big enough to share...can't you hook a flatlanded brother up? :D

[Vapor]

I am thru here the thread has been moved and I will see you all in the SPS forum.

[Pineapple House]

hey pineapple that isn't a PM sorry bud............
Vapor,
That's highly doubtful. Tell that to Carlos (Pucci), who is the individual who I recieved the fragment from. To my understanding his colony RTN'ed after a bulb broke over his tank.

Scott,
Glad to hear that its color is coming back! :)

Take Care,
Graham