BIG FOOT... Do They Really Exist?

[Megalodon]

It doesn’t seem like speculation on the existence of Big Foot or Sasquach is going to dye down any decade soon. A growing number of apparently respectable people claim to have seen and even smelled these huge elusive primates. It makes me wonder.

Is it possible that a species like this roams our forests, in a large enough population to breed, and elusive enough to evade modern science's detection? You’d think good-quality video or photographs would have been brought forward by now. A fossil record or something. Foot prints, dented car hoods, and sightings aren't enough.

Interesting there are some hunters who vow to shoot and kill one when they have the chance. They have plenty of evidence, they say. If this thing is a hominid, wouldn’t that make it homicide? Dumb hunters. The thing might not even exist in the first place.

I voted Have some doubts. What about you?

[Chris Mu.]

i've seen some ugly people ... i voted "have some doubts"

[Kengar]

I had an encounter on a camping trip in Northern CA a few years back. I'd rather not elaborate, since it still scares the hell out of me. Suffice it to say I have no doubts.

[grostanzo]

Looks like I'm the only one so far who has many doubts. It just seems to me that someone somewhere would have already trapped or killed one. This myth (Just MHO) has been around for a long time and all we have really seen are some slightly unclear pictures. Unfortunately, I'm a show it to me and I'll believe it type person. So, naturally I voted many doubts. Kengar, if you saw something...wish you would talk about it.

[Nek]

See, Im more of a 'see it and I believe' type of person. I say no.

[Dakan]

Hard to say. Do have doubts though. However i never use to beleive in ghosts either. At least until a couple years back.

[Wee Man]

okay so far i have heard of okay maybe i heard bigfoot
and
i had a ghostly encounter.

i find supernatural things very interesting and entertaining (for example i do belive i saw some unknown craft hovering above my school in texas)

my point is PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE elaborate

i thnk the biggest mystery to me isthe mothman prophecies (NOT THE MOVIE) although the movie gave a somewhat accurate depiction of what happened, they never touched on the hundreds of unidentified flying objects, and the MIB and CIA stalking people and leaving death threats to people who had seen the mysterious 10 foot creature.

[Jamesurq]

The only bigfoot I believe in:

http://www.jocofair.com/images/1999/bigfoot.jpg

[CrystalAZ]

Hahahha!

I am skeptical as well.

But I did have a friend who swore that he and his buddies saw one on a camping trip. They freaked out and jumped in the pickup truck to get away because they were scared, and it started running beside the truck and was keeping up with it. I don't know if his story was true, but it was obvious that HE believed it.

I love hearing about supernatural stuff too. I listen to Coast to Coast AM at night. Sometimes it is hard to sleep listening to that show! :D

Crystal

[despot101]

I voted have some doubts. There are thousands of animals we have yet to discover.

[griss]

I have no doubts, just ask DJ88 about Bigfoot:)

[Kengar]

The third recording here is similar to what we heard

http://www.angelfire.com/wa/sasquatchsearch/page7.html

We were in a cabin making dinner and heard stuff getting knocked around in the shed in back in the evening. We thought it was a bear, so wanted to scare it off. We took a can of food and heaved it out the window at the shed. What came back sounded like the recording. Scared the bejeesus out of us. We slammed the window shut and got away from the window, and made sure the door was locked. We heard something go lumbering away from the shed, crashing through the trees up the hill into which the shed was built. We looked and saw the brush/foliage shaking, but didn't see what was pushing through it.

Listening to these recordings still causes the hair to stand up on the back of my neck.

[Kengar]

And for those of you who say it's too unlikely not to have found one, there is a deer that was found in Viet Nam not too long ago with flaps over its nostrils (new species), and for years there had been stories of ape men in africa before the mountain gorilla was discovered officially. Believed new species of whale was also just located last week or so, if I recall when I read the CNN.com piece. It's a big world out there, with many places to hide. Just look down when flying over areas in the West/NorthWest and think about it.

[Flatlander]

My visit from a Manitoba bigfoot. :lol:

[sorenb]

I voted "no clue", because - really - I have no clue.

When I have been hiking in the US, I've only encountered bears, moose (plural meese???) and snakes.

If there were some scientific evidence you could examine genetically, then doubts could set in, or even certainty. But as it is now, peoples tales and bad photographs and film, only makes me doubt the evidence.

It would be a more interesting world if big foot exists.

sorenb

[Lionfish01]

I am skeptical. Those recordings in MHO were prbably apes in a zoo somewhere. JMHO.

Although it would be cool to actually find one.

[55Reef]

Originally posted by Kengar
And for those of you who say it's too unlikely not to have found one, there is a deer that was found in Viet Nam not too long ago with flaps over its nostrils (new species), and for years there had been stories of ape men in africa before the mountain gorilla was discovered officially. Believed new species of whale was also just located last week or so, if I recall when I read the CNN.com piece. It's a big world out there, with many places to hide. Just look down when flying over areas in the West/NorthWest and think about it.

Yep! that's what I was going to say! It's a BIG world out there.

Recently I saw on sci fi or discovery?? about bigfoot casts taken from footprints actually had "dermal ridges" on it.

New species of animals are discovered everyday...Be it a bird, bug, ape or whale...Maybe someday bigfoot!

Ghosts?....absolutely! Been there done that!. Live with one now.:eek:

UFO's...More likely than not! Too many witnesses, abductee's, photo's and video's out there to deny they exist. They ALL can't be fake or misidentified. It only takes one!

[Ryan]

We haven't seen/killed a Giant Squid either....

[Lionfish01]

I am really skeptical about UFOs. They just don't make sense. They are probably just pictures of planes in the night. Although there is a big universe out there.

Ghosts......really don't believe in them. I think once dead your spirit or soul goes to an after life (somewhere other than Earth).

[sorenb]

But didn't fishermen drag up a giant squid ? Isn't that "killing" it?

-wondering...

sorenb

[Megalodon]

Originally posted by Lionfish01
I am really skeptical about UFOs. They just don't make sense. They are probably just pictures of planes in the night. Although there is a big universe out there.

I totally believe there's life out there. But as to these glowing lights in the sky, why would an advanced alien race make their ships so noticable?

Originally posted by aquaholic420
We haven't seen/killed a Giant Squid either....

I know what you mean, but recently I believe they did catch and kill one. I saw biologists examining it on a TV show.

Originally posted by sorenb
When I have been hiking in the US, I've only encountered bears, moose (plural meese???) and snakes.

Moose is also the plural. I love moose.

[beerguy]

A moose once bit my sister.

[Megalodon]

Originally posted by beerguy
A moose once bit my sister.

She's lucky because a moose will hurt you bad in more ways than one. At least a Big Foot just throws rocks.

What do you all think of a hunter shooting one of them? I can't believe some want to kill it if it's real.

[beerguy]

Megalodon - My sister was never bitten.

That line is a reference to the captioning that appears at the beginning of Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail.

[greenbean36191]

There was a show on Discovery a while back where they analyzed some casts of footprints from all over the NW and they said the depth and bone structure of all of the casts was exactly what they would expect for an animal like bigfoot. They also said that mosts of the casts had dermal ridges on them which would be extremely hard to fake. They also had hair samples that the investigators found in the woods which were sent for DNA testing. The results said that the hair came from an unknown primate. They also had an audio recording of what they believed to be a bigfoot. An audio specialist couldn't match the noise to any known animal from the area, but couldn't rule out something manmade.

Alot of people try to make the argument that if it did exist we would have found a body by now because people are always out in the woods hunting or hiking. We know that bears exist, but how often do hunters and hikers happen upon bear carcasses? Also if you did find a bigfoot carcass would you be able to identify it or would you just see that it was a large hairy animal and assume it was a bear or a moose?

[Kengar]

Originally posted by Lionfish01
I am skeptical. Those recordings in MHO were prbably apes in a zoo somewhere. JMHO.



The recording gives you an idea of what I heard. There weren't gorillas out there making the noise I heard. It was a grunting snarl that had a LOT of power behind it. This continues to send shivers up and down my spine every time I address it and think about it, particularly playing the various recordings I've heard around the 'net.

[beerguy]

Corn whiskey?

:D

[Kengar]

Originally posted by beerguy
Corn whiskey?

:D

Stress ;)

[55Reef]

Originally posted by Lionfish01
Ghosts......really don't believe in them. I think once dead your spirit or soul goes to an after life (somewhere other than Earth).

Yes! But sometimes they don't move on. They are stuck here.
Why?? who knows...Some may not realize they are dead.

[55Reef]

Originally posted by greenbean36191
There was a show on Discovery a while back where they analyzed some casts of footprints from all over the NW and they said the depth and bone structure of all of the casts was exactly what they would expect for an animal like bigfoot. They also said that mosts of the casts had dermal ridges on them which would be extremely hard to fake. They also had hair samples that the investigators found in the woods which were sent for DNA testing. The results said that the hair came from an unknown primate. They also had an audio recording of what they believed to be a bigfoot. An audio specialist couldn't match the noise to any known animal from the area, but couldn't rule out something manmade.

Alot of people try to make the argument that if it did exist we would have found a body by now because people are always out in the woods hunting or hiking. We know that bears exist, but how often do hunters and hikers happen upon bear carcasses? Also if you did find a bigfoot carcass would you be able to identify it or would you just see that it was a large hairy animal and assume it was a bear or a moose?


That's the show I saw!

Pretty interesting about the dermal ridges.

I have heard that about the Bears too.

Interesting stuff!

[beerguy]

Originally posted by 55Reef
Yes! But sometimes they don't move on. They are stuck here.
Why?? who knows...Some may not realize they are dead.

Strom Thurman existed that way for years.

[Kengar]

Having "funned" you all a little with my story of a personal experience, I note that I, too, am a firm believer in the possibility. The Discovery show information was very convincing. Also, not only do you not find dead BigFeet (foots? footi?), you don't find dead much of anything. The forst floor RAPIDLY absorbs a dead carcass as bacteria, fungi, bugs, carnivores, etc. go quickly to work.

[DJ88©]

Originally posted by griss
I have no doubts, just ask DJ88 about Bigfoot:) http://members.shaw.ca/rcsmilies/pix/take_off.gif

[BlAcK_PeRcUlA]

Originally posted by aquaholic420
We haven't seen/killed a Giant Squid either....

We have dead ones that washed up on the beach. Discovery showed many of them and there was a doctor examining one on a table. It wasn't like the 50 feet long ones you hear about but it was definetly a giant squid, new species. They have found the identifying traits to this species and managed to captured several juveniles (tiny tiny little ones). They were not successful in keeping these to raise though.

Well, that's all i remember.:)

[Steve_B]

Originally posted by DJ88
http://members.shaw.ca/rcsmilies/pix/take_off.gif

The film clip in your post was believed to be the real thing for many years. I think experts analyzed it many times and the "experts" thought that the film was not a fake. One of the guys involved in making that film confessed that it was faked shortly before his death. He died not too long ago, within the last year or so.

[Kengar]

Originally posted by SBSB
The film clip in your post was believed to be the real thing for many years. I think experts analyzed it many times and the "experts" thought that the film was not a fake. One of the guys involved in making that film confessed that it was faked shortly before his death. He died not too long ago, within the last year or so.

You're referring to a different guy/bigfoot chaser, who admitted to strapping on wood feet and clomping around. Roger Patterson died in '72, without ever confessing to faking his film.

[Steve_B]

Originally posted by Kengar
You're referring to a different guy/bigfoot chaser, who admitted to strapping on wood feet and clomping around. Roger Patterson died in '72, without ever confessing to faking his film.

Hey Kengar! I really thought I was right on this so I did a search and just spent the last hour reading the most current information I could find on the Patterson-Gimlin film. It would appear that I have confused my facts as you pointed out. Well I found that there is certainly a lot of Bigfoot info on the Internet. Maybe I’ll join the Bigfoot Central discussion forum, :D

[oz]

I have some doubts but I have an open mind.

Its possible that they do exist. There is evidence to suggest that they are in fact real. Plaster casts, hair samples, scat (feces) samples, photographs and video, fingerprints, and sound recordings have all been collected by numerous different organizations. The eye witness accounts are often considered a “tall tale�--only to later find out there were more than just one or two witnesses. Although many reports may be false, there are far too many that can be backed up by multiple eye witnesses to be considered hallucination or fabrication.

Basically there are two lines of thought in Bigfoot research. One camp wants to take a specimen (dead or alive, whichever is more convenience to them) to prove the creatures exist. (and those who like to cry Monster, lol ;) )The other camp wants to observe and gather the best evidence they can to prove the creatures exist, at the same time protecting these creatures from being harmed. I support the latter category.

Who knows, may be we have captured them already but are being kept in secret at area51, I hear rumors of a pair named Alma and Zana.

[jimwat]

No clue! For all of the good, credible evidence, there is a LOT of misinformation. If they do exist, I have no doubt that we will eventually find one (dead or alive). As fast as we are over populating this planet, it is inevitable...

I had a friend that swears that he encountered one of these creatures while fishing on the St. Johns river in central Florida. But, he also had been known to add 'shrooms (of the "magic" variety)to his Koolaid. So who knows...

[oz]

Originally posted by aquaholic420
We haven't seen/killed a Giant Squid either....

Oh yes we have! (http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=171445&highlight=giant+squid)

[jimwat]

Who knows, may be we have captured them already but are being kept in secret at area51, I hear rumors of a pair named Alma and Zana.I am sure it has already been done, but to combine a couple of conspiracy theories, what if the bigfoot creatures are actually an alien species?

[Steve_B]

Originally posted by Wee Man

i thnk the biggest mystery to me isthe mothman prophecies (NOT THE MOVIE) although the movie gave a somewhat accurate depiction of what happened, they never touched on the hundreds of unidentified flying objects, and the MIB and CIA stalking people and leaving death threats to people who had seen the mysterious 10 foot creature.

The Mothman Prophesies, starring Richard Gere portraying the real-life John Keel offers a complex juxtaposition of anomalous phenomena including cryptozoology, precognition, prophetic dreams, teleportation, UFOs, and demonic messages. While the movie version is placed in a contemporary setting, the actual events occurred in Point Pleasant, West Virginia beginning in 1966 and precipitously diminished in 1967 following the catastrophic destruction of the Silver Bridge, 15 December of that year.

The movie notes that the story is based on actual events. These have been reported by John Keel in his books but are supported by newspaper articles and other researchers. For many moviegoers, the ending will be less than satisfactory as there is no final confrontation, conclusive definition of Mothman, or resolution of the phenomena. Fiction writers are blessed with control over their story lines. Real life, unfortunately, tends to be vague and often inconclusive. As in this case, the strange events just taper off, defy conventional explanations, and resist all attempts of scientists and researchers to obtain accurate data.

During an interview with Art Bell, John Keel noted that the movie accurately captured the mood and the atmosphere of the book. The director, Mark Pellington, has incorporated sounds, lighting, and a symbology to create a foreboding sense of doom. The incidents depicted run from the spooky, but probably explainable, to those beyond all logic. As an example of the totally bizarre events reported in the by Keel and portrayed in the movie, when plagued by disturbing phone calls, the instrument was jerked out of the wall. Though not plugged in to any circuit, the phone still rings. Keel reports that mechanical sounding voices would give him messages including some that accurately predicted coming events.

John Keel has his detractors in the UFO community. Many do not like the commingling of various phenomena and believe it obfuscates the extraterrestrial aspects of UFOs. At NIDS we tend to support the notions put forth by John Keel. While we cannot verify any of the specific incidents he reported, we can state unequivocally that similar diverse events have been documented by us.

[tyoberg]

I think it's possible, but not likely (at least not on this continent). I figure someone would have shot one or would have found remains by now or bagged one w/ a Buick. Anything somewhat humanoid would be found near water and plentiful food sources--the same places that you would find hunters, game and archeologists.

I've got a friend who wants to kill a Yetti. He's sort of a goof, so I don't think he's completely serious in his belief that they exist. He says they disguise them selves as humans.

Think it's possible that D. B. Cooper was actually a Yetti in human disguise?

Ty

[bigevill]

yes they are real.....I am one.:bum:

[55Reef]

CONROE, Texas, Oct. 3, 2003 (UPI) -- A Texas forensic expert believes he has some of the strongest evidence yet the mythical creature Bigfoot exists.

Investigator Jimmy Chilcutt of the Conroe Police Department in Texas, who specializes in finger and footprints, says he is certain six footprints, claimed to have been made by Bigfoot, are genuine.

Chilcutt said one print, measuring 18 inches, found in the State of Washington in 1987 has convinced him.

"The unique thing about this cast is that it has dermal ridges -- and the flow and texture matches the ridge flow texture of one from California," Chilcutt told BBC World Service's Discovery program.
"The ridges are about twice as thick as in a human being."


Everything you ever wanted to know about Bigfoot:

http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/

[jimroth]

I would have to say that I strongly doubt there are any undiscovered large mammals in the US. You have to have a breeding population to maintain any species, there can't just be a couple.
Maybe it was just a really dirty hippie.

[jimwat]

Maybe it was just a really dirty hippieOr maybe a Wookie!

[Megalodon]

- Did DNA testing on hair really prove it came from an unknown primate?

- Is that video of Big Foot just a man in a suit?

- What are dermal ridges? Finger prints, but on feet?

- Have they found any suspect poopies?

- Are people capable of such lies?

- Do the same people who believe in Big Foot, also believe in the Lockness Monster in England or the Ogopoggo in BC?

[Steve_B]

Originally posted by Megalodon
[B]


- Have they found any suspect poopies?


/B]

Yes they did, but it was just from some hunters that drank too much beer:D

[Wee Man]

SBSB

you should read the book :)

despite what mr. keel said i belive the biggest evidence of mothman wha the CIA and FBI which the movie never touched on.

[Megalodon]

What book? What's the Mothman?

[Aaron1100us]

I have Big Feet and I exist:) just kidding. I believe that there is a possibility that they exist. Scientists are allways discovering new species all the time.

[beefcake]

People are so gullible.