Angel For A 90g Reef

[Bastianelli]

I have a 90g reef. I eventually want to add some angels. This will probally be my most planned fish. I am positive I want to stick to drawfs and pygmys though, so thats a start. Heres my question: I've been looking at themarinecenter.com and they have tons of beutiful angels, What genuses or familys (not sure what level it would be) are drawfs & pymgys? Also any suggestions of a reef safe angel would be great.

[JC VT]

I would definitely recommend a Golden Pygmy angel; they are so beautiful. I am not sure if they are completely reef safe: Live Aquaria says they might nip at corals. Often times they will not kill the coral, they will just irritate it.

Joon

[Bastianelli]

Oh yea the main idea for startin this thread was so I could ask how many could I maintain in a 90 without them teroizing eachother. Also most are pretty peaceful, right? As I have all other peaceful fish.

[joetbs]

All of the dwarfs are hit or miss. The genus is Centropyge. You might wanna look at the smaller large angels, such as Lamark's or the Swallowtail, as they are generally much more reef safe. I wouldn't mix them in a tank that size, but I have seen people with 2 Centropyges in a tank(1 was 220, 1 was 58 w. no other fish). They are not really aggressive, but I would add them as the last fish to the tank. This way smaller fish will settle in and the tank will be more established and better suited for the fish.

Good luck.
joe

[Bastianelli]

How big do the Lamark's & Swallotails get? Also would a pair of either do OK?

[fishermania]

There are several types of larger angels that are reef safe, and you can keep most of them in pairs.

Here are the ones I know of

Zebra

Male and Female (http://www.themarinecenter.com/melanospilos.htm)

Bellus
Male (http://www.themarinecenter.com/bellusmale.htm)
Female (http://www.themarinecenter.com/bellusfemale.htm)

Masked SwallowTail
Male (http://www.themarinecenter.com/genicanthussemifasciatusmale.htm)
Female (http://www.themarinecenter.com/genicanthussemifasciatusfemale.htm)

Watanabei
Male (http://www.themarinecenter.com/watanabeiangelmale.htm)
Female (http://www.themarinecenter.com/watanabeiangelfemale.htm)

They often times sell indiviually or as pair here:
http://www.themarinecenter.com/specials/index.htm

The other angels I hear is reef safe is the Lamark Angel

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/prod_Display.cfm?siteid=21&pCatId=413

You can get some more general info on some of the angel here:
http://www.peteducation.com/category_summary.cfm?cls=16&cat=1879

[ignite1402]

i guess 2 - 3 will be okay... as far as i know all angels will attack the corals somehow... but coral beauty and flame angel seems to be doing less harm... alought they may nibble and irritate the corals more when they gets bigger... they are esp attracted to bubble and hammer coral as to wad i know.. =)

[joetbs]

You could get away with a pair. I personally like the different coloration of the male and female swallowtails, and they seem to be pretty hardy. Do you have any other large fish in the tank? I would be cautious with a tang, perhaps not even adding one. The Lamark's does get bigger, around 9", and I would only add one of those. It is also not easy when it comes to sexing Lamark's. The swallowtail's only get 6" and are easy to sex. With some looking around, you could probably find a mated pair.

Keep us posted on how it goes, i would eventually like to set up a tank with these fish.

joe

[Creade]

So.. if Im reading this thread correctly. We're suggesting 2-3 swallowtail, lamark, wattanabei etc angels for a 90 gallon reef?

I cant see that a trio of wattanabeis or the like would be too pleased with that setup.

If someone knows something I dont, I would love to hear it though. I cant wait till my new setup is done and I can have my trio.

Really not trying to flame anyone, just wondering if my information is skewed somehow.


Creade

[ignite1402]

2-3 will bw fine for a 90 gallen tank as it provides ample swimming space.. y not get 3 diff angels? just a sugg..

[Creade]

I dont agree with putting 3 larger angels in a 90. Especially if now we're talking 3 different types. Are they going to be the only fish?
Id like to hear some other peoples inputs on this.
Id be worried that same sexes will fight.

Creade

[ignite1402]

i'm talking about small angels here... some angels wun grow up to be very big size... yeah... sames sex diff spec shld be ok... wads more there's enuff rocks covering... should be ok..

[Creade]

If your talking Centropyge opposed to the Genicanthus that were listed then Im totally against 3 due to the extreme chance of them attacking one another. Centropyge angels rarely co exist in a small tank.

Genicanthus grow to 6" + so 3 of them just seems like its going to crowd that tank heavy if its filled with rock and other fish.


Creade

[joetbs]

I guess I should've made myself clearer. I meant EITHER 1 Lamark or 2 Swallowtails. I'm not too familiar with the Wanatabei(too bling bling for my taste). I would still be very cautious adding any other large fish. No tangs, butterflies, etc.

joe

[Creade]

I was actually strongly disagreeing with Ignites comments joe, I can agree that 2 swallowtails would make a beautiful pair in a 90 as long as they have swimming room.
A single Lamark would be nice as well.


Sorry if I get frustrated by the Watanabei. I have a sweet spot for them and have been putting off getting mine until they have nearer a 200 gallon tank to swim.

Creade

[ignite1402]

haha.. well what i posted here is base on my humble opinion.. do correct me if u know there's smthing wrong.. and also sorry if i've provided some crappy post.. SRY!

[Bastianelli]

So dwarfs would not get along with eachother in a 90? Also if I had a pair of swallowtails would I be right on the edge with the max fish or still have some space? Also are they peaceful? As my tank is a peaceful community.

[joetbs]

Are you concerned about the fish nipping at corals/clams? If so, and you like the swallowtail, get those. No sense in taking a risk with the dwarfs. They are peaceful fish and should do well in a community environment. If you get 2 dwarfs, they're gonna fight. I wouldn't chance a fish's life to getting lucky.

What other fish are you looking to put them with? You should still be able to have a bunch of other fish, I just wouldn't add anything large. As long as you keep a good mix they'll be fine.

joe

[Peter Schmiedel]

As Creade I am reading this thread and have to shake my head in disagreement.

I would not even place one Genicanthus in a tank of 340 Liter (sorry but in our side of the world gallon is weird :D ). Genicanthus are planktion feeders which swim in the open water in front of the reef.

I can also not support the oppinion the keeping the genus Centropyge in a pair or a group will cause trouble. Most of the species in this genus life in groups (one male several female) and can be keep like that in a reef tank.

In one of my tanks I keep a trio of C.agri which mates regularly.

For a tank in that size I would recommend to keep a group of the small Centropyge species as : C.argi. C. acanthops etc.

Of course no one can give the gurantee that Centropyge is reef safe, but if you keep them in a group they have enough to do with social interaction and normally dont even "think" of teasing corals or giant clams.

I also dont want to flame, but really dont like if poeple make suggestions without really knowing the demands of a fish.

[Bastianelli]

So do different types of dwarfs get along? How would I know which ones get along with which? Or do they have to be the same differnt kind? Does sex mater? If so, how do I tell them apart?

[toonces]

everything i have read says that keeping more than one centropyge species in a tank together (ie. flame and coral beauty) leads to fighting unless they are in a large tank with numerous hiding spots.

i don't know if 90 gal. is considered "large".

no offense, but may i suggest you take a look at a site like wetwebmedia.com and do a search? this information is out there if you want to do some groundwork research first, then you're more likely to get at want you really want to know.

later, toonces

[Peter Schmiedel]

I would not recommend to mix species in such a rather small tank. I have a trio of C.argi in an 35 G tank and they are mating reguarly. But only the small Centropyge species should be taken into consideration.

Most of the Centropyge you cant sex. I have good success with the flame, but you have to see a lot of diffrent fish together to find the male and the female.

Anyway Centropyge act like many wrasse and the female can change theirs sex and become a male. As juvenile are mostly female you shoudl have success in buying 2 or 3 very small C.argi and let them built up the social hieracy and define who will be the strong male.