Sump question

[cristhiam]

I'm gettin the crazy idea of actually installing one after 4 years of been in the hobby :). What size would it be good for a 125? and what kind of overflow would I need. The tank is not drilled and it's running, also how many GPS pump. Thanks

[sytanek]

I actually thought about this, since I was going to get a 125 and thought that perhaps 2 seperate 30 gallon setups would be awesome.

Basically buy 2 of everything, 2 30 gallon sumps, 2 protein skimmers, 2 return pumps. May be overkill, but thats probably what I'm going to do for the 210 when I finally buy it.


I dunno, sounds like a good idea to me...lol If one pump dies, you still have filtration going on.

[sytanek]

Oh yeah, is this a 125 long? if not...hrmm a 55 gallon sump?

[InLimbo87]

I don't know seems too complicated for me. Would be easier to just do one 60 gallon sump, and keep an extra pump on hand for a just in case (if you're worried about the pump dying)

[cristhiam]

6' long

[sytanek]

You could use one tank, was just thinking there may be some advantage to splitting it up. Covering more surface area at once or something.

[A.T.DAWG]

sytanek- that sounds like a really good idea to me

fwiw I have a 55g on my 75g but Im pretty sure that is overkill but since it is my first tank I didnt want to take any chances.

[cristhiam]

a 55 might work then but I'll have to cut one of the side panel of the stand to be able to put it in, the only access is from the back and there is no way I'll take my tank down for that, what about the pump and overlow? also baffles any websites that shows plans for it?

[sytanek]

melevsreef.org

have you seen the design I used on mine?

[sytanek]

I'm using a quietone 3000 on my 55. I have a AGA tho.

[sytanek]

http://sytanek.com/tank/refugium.JPG

This is what I've done, based on several designs combined together I found on Melev's reef.

[lusenut2]

I bought 2 1500 gph overflow boxes from MarineDepot.com. They work perfect. I love them, there not to loud either. For my sump I bought a used 55 gal tank and had it drilled at Sea In The City. For setting up the baffles Im just copying Sea In The Citys sumps. There simple and easy to do, plus they dont mind if you look at theres for ideas. For as what size sump to go with is go as big as you can. The more water volume the better.

[jsl6v8]

I would do a 55g but make sure you can get it in or put it in before you put the tank on top, I made the mistake today of having my 90 full of water and rock and sand only to find out I can't get the 20G long in there, had to move everything out and my back is killing me.

[cristhiam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9546792#post9546792 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by lusenut2
I bought 2 1500 gph overflow boxes from MarineDepot.com. They work perfect. I love them, there not to loud either. For my sump I bought a used 55 gal tank and had it drilled at Sea In The City. For setting up the baffles Im just copying Sea In The Citys sumps. There simple and easy to do, plus they dont mind if you look at theres for ideas. For as what size sump to go with is go as big as you can. The more water volume the better.
Are the overflows CPR that's all I can see at the site.

This is going to be a project the tank it's been running for a little over a year and I'll have to cut the side of the stand to fit the tank in. Now what pumps are you guys using? any problems with floding?

[lusenut2]

Yes the CPR is what I bought. They used to have different sizes though. Go to Auqucave.com and they have the different sizes. I think a little cheaper also. I bought 2 of the CPR CS150 and i also bought the aqua lifter pump. That is a must have. Its totaly worth the 10 bucks.

The pump im using is a Pan World 250PS. I have a 150 and its not doing what I want. I need more water flow. Its rated at 1900 gph but with the 6ft of head and all the plumbing im guessing somewhere around 1300 gph.

[InLimbo87]

I personally wouldn't use a cpr style overflow. They are not as efficient in restarting siphon as a u-tube style overflow is.

I would definitely look into getting a u-tube overflow. I know that lifereef makes some really nice ones but they are pretty expensive. They are all the same general design, though.

[Me No Nemo]

If you do use the CPR, like lusenut said, make sure you have an Aqualifter to keep the siphon going. Inexpensive and works great.

[cristhiam]

Man!! is there anything plug and play in this hobby lol. The more I read the more I get confused :)

[lusenut2]

Really you would rather use a U tube over flow. I had 1 of those and hated it, I couldnt wait to get rid of it. I didnt even sell it I gave it away. lol The CPR is a not a good over flow without the Aqualifter. It is a must. Since I got it I have had no problems with it at all. I have gone a month and I havent had to touch it yet. It works amazing.

[jsl6v8]

lol I have 3 U-tubes 2 of them work great never had to re-siphon, the third I'm still working on making it work lol.

[cristhiam]

This is what I might do, with an ocean runner pump, what do you guys think? who cuts glass?

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1031859&perpage=&pagenumber=3

[cristhiam]

will this overflow work?
http://cgi.ebay.com/AQUARIUM-WET-DRY-FILTER-OVER-FLOW-BOX-DIY-KIT_W0QQitemZ120086841439QQcategoryZ46310QQcmdZViewItem

[lusenut2]

It will and its the exact 1 I had. I hated it.

[lusenut2]

Home Depot cuts glass. If its for your over flow you can use plexy glass. Im sure its cheaper

[teog]

I have the following for sale or acro trade that will work perfect for you. Its a 55g aga that I installed multiple baffles to reduce bubbles, a refugium area, and skimer/retun pump area. Here is the pic, let me know if your interested
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/teog/55gsump.jpg

[lusenut2]

I ment is the glass for your sump. Sorry

[cristhiam]

yes

[cristhiam]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9552508#post9552508 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by teog
I have the following for sale or acro trade that will work perfect for you. Its a 55g aga that I installed multiple baffles to reduce bubbles, a refugium area, and skimer/retun pump area. Here is the pic, let me know if your interested
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/teog/55gsump.jpg

No leaks? PM sent

[teog]

Yes no leaks and pm returned. Just a little dirty.lol

[cristhiam]

Ok got the sump from teog (above picture) the only thing I'm going to do is move the baffles from the right to about 10" to the left to put my skimmer in there. Thinking about using a mag 12 for return pump with SCWD. for the overflow a CPR with the aqualifter pump, should I use a 1" Single bulkhead 800 gph or a 1" double bulkhead 1200 gph? what you guys think

[jsl6v8]

with a mag 12 go with the double, I have a single and its not handling a mag 9.5 currently,just tried it out today.

[cristhiam]

How about this pump? for $100
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d11/aquaticman74/IMG_0460.jpg

[jsl6v8]

External pumps are fantastic, you would need to get the sump drilled and I would suggest putting a ball valve on both sides so you can take out the external easily in case anything were to happen, but externals create less heat, use less energy, tend to be quieter so I would definately go with it but with a 125 tank I would make sure it does at least 1000gph preferably closer to 1500+

[cristhiam]

Well somebody got it :(. I'm still looking.

[teog]

I have used panworld pumps and find them to be too noisy for my living room. jmo

I used a mag with that sump application and it worked flawlessly. People say that mags put to much heat into a tank, and that may be so with smaller tanks. After running a mag24 for two years and finally going to a Dart pump my tank temp did NOT change. But to each there own :)

[jsl6v8]

I personally use mags myself and I like them but the do put out a bit of heat *shrug*

[cristhiam]

Ok going back to the orinal, mag 12 :)

[lusenut2]

I am using the pan world pump that puts out 1900 gph and I think its a little on the low side of water out put. I am thinking about buying the dart 3600 gph on the tank now.

I just finished my sump also today, I copied Sea in the Citys sumps and it works perfect. I love it.

[jsl6v8]

if you are going to be getting rid of your pan world let me know.

[lusenut2]

Ok. Im going to give it a month or so before I deside if im changing or not. The only reason why i didnt order the pump this weekend is i just 200 bucks on getting this pump going and the sump. so I didnt want to buy all new plumbing. lol

[cristhiam]

So do you guys think a mag 12 will do the job at 4' or I should be looking at a bigger pump

[jsl6v8]

should be fine, I heard as a standard rule you want the tank to turn over 10 times an hour at least, so 100 gal tank 1000gph, might want to go up to a mag 16 but a 12 should do you fine.

[cristhiam]

Thanks, but I should of do this before lol, actually mesure the space I have, and that 55 will not fit, well fits but it's almost to the top of the stand so it leave no space to work on LOL, now what? :) the space I have from bottom to top is 22", so I need something around 15" to 17" high, the with is fine :) Ideas?

[jsl6v8]

lol I did the same thing with a 20g long in my 90 had to tear down the whole aquarium water rock and sand to put the sump in through the top :-), my arms are still sore. Well according to my "A complete idiot's guild to saltwater aquariums", by far one of the best books I've ever had on setting up/running/starting a saltwater aquarium, a standard 30G and 40G are 16 inches high the next thing up from a 40 is a 100G which is 72x18x18, and I imagine that if you have a brace in the middle of your stand you would have to put it in with the brace out then replace the brace. guess the 55 left you with about 2 inches of workroom lol.

Check craigslist or on here some people make custom acrylic tanks and I know pet safari in the lake mary area has a guy that custom makes wet/drys so I don't see why he can't do a sump. That or go with a 40G. Do keep in mind the mere dimensions aren't the only hassle when it comes to getting it actually into the stand, I've had to pop out more than a couple braces on stands and put them back in due to my folleys.

[cristhiam]

Do you have the phone number for the pet safari? I might give them a call or I might go with the 40G.
Also I do have to cut the left side panel of the stand to fit the tank thru it, I do have the center brace and I can't even fit a 20 thru it. I tried :)
Anyone would like to trade a 40 for the 55G lol.

[jsl6v8]

their number is 407-388-0738, I'm sure you can find someone on here as well. You can't fit a 20Long in through the front???

[cristhiam]

This is what I have to work with.
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~pinatas/stand1.jpg

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~pinatas/stand2.jpg

[jsl6v8]

Ahh, the triple doors sure do look nice but not very functional, BTW nice cap.

[jay24k]

My panworld works great. I use a 40 breeder and I wish I would of went bigger. That 55 should do very well.

[jsl6v8]

lol you need to catch up on the post jay24k, he didn't get the pan world and he thinks the 55 is to tall, and with only 2 inches of work room inside the sump I am afraid I have to agree :-)

[InLimbo87]

I don't know how brave you are, but if you're looking for a challenge you could always get some acrylic and build yourself a sump right there in the stand. (Or I guess you could do it with glass also).

[cristhiam]

OK. I think I'm getting an ocean runner pump 6500 flow rate 1700gph, this should be fine I think. I'm still looking for a 40G long and the overflow. I've been looking at the for sale forum non stop :)

[orb]

i've got one of these overflows, built nice. http://www.austinoceans.com/products-overflows.html

you'd have to drill the back of the tank to put it in, but no big deal there.

it's possible to remove the brace between the sets of doors, and put in your sump, then put the doors back on. that's shown how to do on the melev's reef link posted earlier.

[cristhiam]

It's too risky to drilled the tank if it craks I'll be in big trouble :), also I don't have the center brace, I'll have to put the sump throug the side, you can see page too for a picture of the tank.

[lusenut2]

I think its a good choice on the pump. Mine is a 1900 gph and its a little on the low side I think of water movement. Your tank is a 120 gal right? The overflow just order a new 1, its a hundred bucks. ORDER IT. lol

[cristhiam]

yeah tank is a 125, I'm getting the pump from someone in RC. 6 months old and he's got all the parts. not bad for $40 :)

[lusenut2]

lol he has all the parts, so this is put together and working. I wouldnt buy it. lol

[orb]

i saw the pic before i posted, it looks like you have 4 center braces that could be removed temporarily.

[cristhiam]

Will the CPR150 (1600 GPH) work with Ocean runner 6500 flow rate 1700gph or should I go with the CPR that is rated for 1200 GHP, sorry for all the questions :)

[cristhiam]

can I use plexy glass for the baffles? can I get this at HD?

[jsl6v8]

I used acrylic which you can get at HD, its in the very back if you go to the one near waterford but silly enough the acrylic cutter is in the front, in that tool world area on the right if you are going up the aisle right at the beggining. I would suggest getting the 1/4 inch thick acrylic.

[jsl6v8]

but unfortunately you aren't in orlando... or at least I have no clue where groveland is, if you are near orlando I have the acrylic cutter and some acrylic aquarium safe sealer stuff.

[cristhiam]

Thank's for the ideas, I have a HD, I'll ask tomorrow, now can I use something else besides acrilic? If I use acrylic how do I glue it to the glass?
Groveland is west of Clermont on Hwy 50

[jsl6v8]

you don't so much as glue it as use sillicone aquarium safe stuff to hold it there, its either that or glass.

[cristhiam]

:) Tha't what I meant, sillicone, I thought sillicone won't stick to acrillic.