OS X newbie questions

[dwd5813]

would you not still have to make each change individually regardless of whether or not you needed to click an okay button at the end? perhaps i'm forgetting what it was like to use a windows based system, but that is how i recall it. forgive me if i'm mistaken.

Pete, sorry if i took that too personally.

[pnosko]

And it isn't even an extra click. Clicking OK or Cancel in Windows applies/undoes and then closes the dialog. There's even often another button named Apply that applies without closing the dialog.

[pnosko]

No, you don't have to make each change individually. You rack 'em up and then apply or discard in one, efficient swoop.

dwd5813, dont sweat the small stuf.

[MarkS]

Originally posted by dwd5813
would you not still have to make each change individually regardless of whether or not you needed to click an okay button at the end? perhaps i'm forgetting what it was like to use a windows based system, but that is how i recall it. forgive me if i'm mistaken.

Pete, sorry if i took that too personally.

I think the point is having to go back and undo each and every change you made before closing the dialog box. That is much more inconvenient and far more involved than clicking "Cancel", which tells the program to disregard the changes you made in the dialog.

[dwd5813]

Originally posted by pnosko
No, you don't have to make each change individually. You rack 'em up and then apply or discard in one, efficient swoop.

dwd5813, dont sweat the small stuf.

touche'

[MarkS]

To lighten the mood: http://www.justsayhi.com/bb/apple_addiction

I'm 52% addicted to Apple.

[dwd5813]

Originally posted by MarkS
I think the point is having to go back and undo each and every change you made before closing the dialog box. That is much more inconvenient and far more involved than clicking "Cancel", which tells the program to disregard the changes you made in the dialog.

okay, i can see that. i guess i don't make changes often enough for it to become an issue either way.

[MarkS]

Originally posted by dwd5813
okay, i can see that. i guess i don't make changes often enough for it to become an issue either way.

Some programs, especially engineering programs, CAD/CAM, 3D software and such can have mutli-tabbed dialog boxes with dozens or hundreds of options for a single software feature. In such cases, a cancel button is absolutely necessary.

[dwd5813]

Originally posted by MarkS

I'm 52% addicted to Apple.

52% here too

[beerguy]

82%

[fussoverthis]

Now, I would have to go home and pull it up on my machine to see if you have a "cancel" button on the preferences, but have you looked at Camino by Mozilla?

http://caminobrowser.org/

(I'm on a windows machine at work. Two Macs at home.)

[pnosko]

I spoke to my dealer about this issue. He says no one has ever complained about this, and that it's the way it is in OS X.

This sounds like an OS X dirty little secret that the loyalists are going to ignore or minimize. It boggles my mind that such an important user interface feature was either overlooked or dismissed.

[reefbuzz]

pnosko,

Wierd. First you asked a simple question. Then you sort of attacked the person that was nice enough to provide feedback. After you got answers, you mocked Apple, and this is 1 day after YOU spent $7,000 on YOUR computer. Why do you need such an expensive Mac? Why did you buy such a boss machine in the first place; 16 GB, are you serious? 30" display, 8 processors... and you have nothing nice to say about it. In fact, you haven't really mentioned Apple at all yet. Neither has MarkS. Auto-CAD (his example) isn't an Apple program, nor is Firefox. So here's a question pnosko: how's your Mac? Yes, I'm talking about the interface on something that Apple makes (you haven't mentioned one yet)...

[MarkS]

Originally posted by reefbuzz
pnosko,

Wierd. First you asked a simple question. Then you sort of attacked the person that was nice enough to provide feedback. After you got answers, you mocked Apple, and this is 1 day after YOU spent $7,000 on YOUR computer. Why do you need such an expensive Mac? Why did you buy such a boss machine in the first place; 16 GB, are you serious? 30" display, 8 processors... and you have nothing nice to say about it. In fact, you haven't really mentioned Apple at all yet. Neither has MarkS. Auto-CAD (his example) isn't an Apple program, nor is Firefox. So here's a question pnosko: how's your Mac? Yes, I'm talking about the interface on something that Apple makes (you haven't mentioned one yet)...

What does any of that have to do with Pete's problem? Is it your business why he needs such a powerful computer? To say that he has nothing nice to say about it isn't exactly fair, since this thread is about a problem he has had. I don't think anyone in their right mind would spend $7,000 on a computer if they didn't like it.

[pnosko]

reefbuzz; I believe the OS X System Preferences IS a user interface to Apple software. Can you address my issue, or would you rather just blow smoke?

[pnosko]

Have another complaint. On Windows, when a window isn't maximized, I can resize it anywhere along the four sides. In Tiger, I have a single, tiny triangle on the bottom right.

Oh, have yet another. In order to perform a mouse right-click using an Apple mouse, you must use the keyboard too. Nice.

[pnosko]

Fret not. Praises will come when I find something to praise.

[dwd5813]

i dont know any way to change the window resizing option, but if you go to system preferences, then keyboard and mouse, you can check a box that says "place two fingers on trackpad and click for secondary click." that's your right click. assuming that you are talking about using the trackpad that is.

[Satori]

Originally posted by pnosko
Fret not. Praises will come when I find something to praise.

[GSMguy]

i gotta take the test again i forgot when i got my first mac. i should beat beerguy though

[GSMguy]

86%
woot i dont need rehab until 100%

[dwd5813]

[MarkS]

Originally posted by pnosko
Have another complaint. On Windows, when a window isn't maximized, I can resize it anywhere along the four sides. In Tiger, I have a single, tiny triangle on the bottom right.

That is an issue that you'll have to get used to. Its been that way since the very first version of the Mac OS and is unlikely to change. I know that there were shareware utilities for OS 7, 8 and 9 that added the functionality that you are looking for, but I'm not sure about X. Unfortunately, all I can say is that you'll get used to it.

Originally posted by pnosko

Oh, have yet another. In order to perform a mouse right-click using an Apple mouse, you must use the keyboard too. Nice.

Apple has this strange aversion to two button mice. Its not that the OS doesn't support it, but rather that Apple refuses to make one. Any 3rd party two button USB mouse will work. I could never figure out why Windows' users griped about this. I mean, all you have to do is hold down the option key. Now, after using a Windows machine for the past few years, I would never go back to a single button mouse.

Pete, the interface is very different than Windows. This is going to be like jumping into a cold pool. Once you adjust, you'll forget how difficult the change was, but it will take time and it probably will not be pleasant.

[pnosko]

Originally posted by MarkS
That is an issue that you'll have to get used to.

So far, I think this would be a better slogan for Apple than Think Different. Or perhaps that's what they really meant by that.

[dwd5813]

Originally posted by MarkS
Apple has this strange aversion to two button mice. Its not that the OS doesn't support it, but rather that Apple refuses to make one. Any 3rd party two button USB mouse will work. I could never figure out why Windows' users griped about this. I mean, all you have to do is hold down the option key.

Originally posted by dwd5813
if you go to system preferences, then keyboard and mouse, you can check a box that says "place two fingers on trackpad and click for secondary click." that's your right click.