on PPV. Trigger vs Mantis...

[Xtasia]

Will a Trigger eat a mantis?

Opinions... my friend wants to adopt my mantis but it's a 40g tank with a trigger...

[Hutton]

yes it would, im no expert but is a 40 gallon not big enough for triggers?

[Thurge]

Trigger will aniahlate a mantis, unless the mantis gets a lucky shot.

Depends on the size of the trigger, but it will out grow the tank if it matures.

[Uriel]

The battle can go either way
Triggers will not instantly kill a Mantis. It really depends on the species of trigger and mantis. I would not house them together regardless, because someone will get hurt.
The small mantis that are generally available...sure they won't fare well with a trigger (Or a puffer, for that matter)

I wouldn't want to be a triggerfish in a tank with a full grown
O. scyllarus.
Likewise, an adult L. maculata (An extreme example, but still...) eats fish...an 18" mantis is capable of killing and eating any trigger comercially available with little problem.

Even a small mantis is capable of doing life threatening damage to a triggerfish. Haplochlaena (Over on Grimreefers) posted about a small mantis that smashed one of his eels (It may have been a friend's, or a lab animal, I am not sure) in the face. The eel ended up with a broken mouth/teeth for his trouble/inquisitiveness.


-Ron

[Xtasia]

I ask because... I have 1 inch Cilata mantis (sp) and someone with a 44g tank and a trigger was interested in it. .I thought there might be some conflicts.. not sure what sort of trigger she has.

[Uriel]

Unless it is a teeny-tiny trigger, the mantis will be in trouble.A P. cilata
is a mantis that actively hunts and eats fish,however...

How does the Canadian Post work out shipping, since I am sure that there are folks more than happy to give the P. cilata a trigger-free home.

I would, for one, though I am down here in San Francisco.

-Ron

[Gonodactylus]

As usual, all things are relative. The one variable no one has mentioned is the quality of the stomatopod cavity. I once had a G. chiragra living in a good fitting rock cavity. A large clown trigger decided it would mak a good lunch. The trigger kept attacking and the stomatopod kept striking. The trigger was too aggressive for its own good and after about half an hour of repeated strikes to the mouth, the beak (lips) of the trigger was pretty much broken away. While considerably bigger than the stomatopod, it did not survive. The stomatopod, on the other hand, did just fine.

Roy

[rogerwells]

so lets do it....i want to see a mantis and a trigger fight....and howabout a dwarf octo and a mantis...who wins that?

[mothra]

I've seen a trigger destroy a decent sized G. chiragra at the LFS, they actually fed it to the trigger by dropping it in the tank, so it didn't have a chance, the trigger went right for it and that was that... a quick death.

Good to hear that the G.c. prevailed in Roy's case.

[rogerwells]

well what about the dwarf octo and the mantis?

[rwhhunt]

There is a story posted on Blueboard.com/mantis about when Dr Roy got one of his first blue ring octopuses, it was Very expensive, and probalby over paid for it, well, he already had a large collection of mantis' and they are one of the natural prey items in the wild for BROs, so he drops a mantis in the tank for the BRO to eat, and the mantis immediatly goes on the offensive and strikes the BRO right inbetween the eyes killing it instantly... So I think the fight could go either way depending on how the first strike went...

[rogerwells]

sweet...i want to see that

[Uriel]

I saw that video on Saturday, at Dr. Roy's lecture.

(Dr. Roy, I am the guy with the long blue hair ).

Anyways, he had several slides of octos eating a G. chiraga etc...then a vid of the adding a BRO to a tank with an O. scyllarus. The peacock shoots up and *WHAM*, dead octo.
You can hear Dr. Roy (Or somebody else) yelling Whoa! or Wow! in the background of the video, it was pretty funny. Ypu could also hear me with a muffled 'Yea!' when I saw it.

[rogerwells]

well post it!