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New salt/ozone
Okay i am really confused. I have been using tropic marin reef pro for over a year. A local vendor named gettankedaquariums.com offered me salt he sells for free to try it. He wants to be a sponsor of our local club. Its a 2 part organice salt that you add the calicium after the sat is mixed. My PH is much higher and all levels are great as promised. I have about 150 total water volume. I did a 25 gallon water change weekly. When I do this my ORP drops from 400 to about 325 and takes about 48 hours to reach 400. When I used the new salt my orp was back to 400 within an hour. I was in shock.
Is this normal? Why did it happen? My RO/DI water was no different. My ORP was low at about 375 right after I did the change and just went back to 400 within the hour. I am in shock. my calcium is 400 and DKH 9.5 the same as before the water change. my PH was 8.0 before and was 8.15 after. I do not check magnesium. Should I keep using this salt? I have a 95% sps system I hope this makes scenes to you. Thanks Jay
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Jay,
I would call Garry to get his opinion. His salt is in my opinion good stuff. I feel confident in saying you can trust what he tells you. The only thing I here people complaining about is the high PH. That is only because the calcium is seperate. If you mix up the calcium and slowly add it to your mixed water the PH will be normal. Like I said I have been using it now for a few months and am EXTREMLY happy with the way it keeps my parameters. But do yourself a favor call Garry.........BILL |
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OH and to answer your question.......In my opinion Even tropic Marin can not get your tank crystal clear because the calcium is in the mix. When you have a salt with calcium in it you are going to get precipitation that is what causes the cloudiness. I would guess that with the tropic marin you were getting a slight percipitation that takes the time to clear itself out. With the new salt you are net getting the percipitation causing your ORP to stay up. Just a thought. BILL
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I am so confused Thanks for the responses.
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When I do a water change. I dont add the calcium till the new water is in tank. I usually do a water change then mix up that little bag with a squirt bottle full of RO water. I then add it to the tank a little at a time. I noticed my PH goes up about 2 points. It usually goes from 8.1 to 8.3. I will be surprised if you are not real happy with this salt. I bet tomorrow your SPS will look better than ever!!!!! The polyps will be out so far you will not believe your eyes......Man you might think I am a salesperson for Garry........ Talk to you Jay I am off to bed now............BILL
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A drop in ORP after a water change with any salt is normal.
The ORP of freshly mixed salt water is around 220-240 mv. So yes it will take a little time to recover depending on the volume of the water change. I have no clue why this mysterious new salt mix recovered so quickly. Unless somehow there are permaganates in the salt mix. Don't even know if its possible. Randy or Boomer would know. Boomers out of town for awhile. We'll see what Randy says in the morning. Last edited by Billybeau1; 01/06/2008 at 02:00 AM. |
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I am curious what Randy has to say. I hope he was not out later on Saturday night.
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Water changes almost always cause a drop in ORP. It is no concern at all. It just means that the balance of ions like iron are in more reduced forms (Fe++ compared to Fe+++). How much it happens and how long it last just depends on how many electrochemically active ions were present. I would also not conclude it is better (or worse) for it to go down less and bounce back faster.
FWIW, if the alkalinity is the same, the salt mix will not have any lasting impact on the pH. It is the interplay of all of the sources and sinks of CO2, along with alkalinity, that determines the tank pH.
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What would be a true test that i could do to see if I should change??? I am still in shock that my Ozone really only needed one hour to recover the ORP reading of 400. I got up this morning and it is now 450 and the unit is set for 400. The probe is clean no slime on it. It was going to about 425 on its own before i tried the new salt. thanks
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Yes, I've read and discussed their marketing propaganda before.
Organic Salt mixes I don't have any idea what that actually means. At the least it is quite ridiculous convolution of a scientific term for something that is nearly if not entirely inorganic. They are actually criticizing other companies for adding organic compounds. That write up is, unfortunately, quite misleading. EDTA and metal chelators are not used in typical mixes like Instant Ocean.
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I am still in shock that my Ozone really only needed one hour to recover the ORP reading of 400. I got up this morning and it is now 450 and the unit is set for 400. The probe is clean no slime on it. It was going to about 425 on its own before i tried the new salt.
FWIW, that may not be a benefit. A little hypochlorite in the mix would drive ORP up. Would that be good? Maybe it is just a little ferric chloride or a high oxidation state of manganese. Whatever. I'm certainly not saying they do any of these intentionally, but high ORP in a raw salt mix is not necessarily preferred, IMO.
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Randy,
Would you be willing to try/test this salt mix for us? I am sure you will be happy with it. Let me know I am sure I can talk Garry into sending you a free sample. |
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Test it for what? In my tank? I think I'll stick with IO, but that doesn't mean that I think there is anything wrong with it. Just not enough reason to want to switch to something else.
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OK that is fine but I think you will like the results you see. More stable water parameters and less dosing other things. I would just like to see a well respected person such as yourself try it. BILL
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How is an inorganic substance (salt water) suddenly become manufactured as an "organic" mix? Is there some carbon based (organic) chemical included? Or is just being used as a meaningless marketing term like with organic veggies? Doesn't mean the salt mix is a bad one to use, but IMO their marketing stinks.
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Doesn't mean the salt mix is a bad one to use, but IMO their marketing stinks.
Bill whos marketing would you mean?? I have spoken to the vendor for the salt mix. I am at this time going to use the salt for a few months and see how it does. It boils down to cost. $70 a bucket versus 40$. I really do want the best for my sps. If my corals look as good with this new salt then I will be happy.
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BTW, whens the last time you saw a salt mix that didn't cake with a little exposure to moisture?
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I remember purchased brand a long time ago that I needed a hammer every time I mixed salt.
I did use to use Io when I first started the hobby, Then I saw oceanic. That was a mistake. Then I went to some other company that I needed the hammer. Now I use TM pro but the cost is crazy. I have had good luck for over a year. I am sure that my system will do well with any salt now. I have everything inline and stable. I will try this organic mix for a few months. My corals look great and everything tests perfect. He is local and I have read alot of great feedback about him in another forum. You never know he may become a RC sponsor Thanks for the response Bill. I miss that Long Island humor. Sad news about Les. tell him I said hello.
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All I can say is don't knock it till you try it.........I lay odds you will be real happy with the reults.
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Not knocking the salt, just the marketing hype. Misleading marketing is a pet peeve of mine
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I understand....I really don't like statements that are not true. But all the statements made on [link removed] are true. Bill if you would try the salt your corals will thank you. I just noticed an sps coral that I wrote off. It has been partially buried in the sand. This coral has been in my tank for 6 months. Since I started using Garry's salt I now see some polyps starting to come out.
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I don't use salt mixes these days. Nice fringe benefit of running a wet lab is the use of NSW from a SW well
However, when I have used SW mixes of various brands over the years, they all would clump with exposure to moisture in the air. Wouldn't happen if they used anti caking agents like gettanked claims they all do Besides, if it was really so necessary for mixing, how would he be able to mix salt without it himself? See what I'm driving at? Some claims are just marketing without real substance. Your more likely to find YSP used in water softener salts or table salt than sea salt mixes
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