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06/21/2007, 06:03 PM
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I looked at both H&S and Deltec skimmers and went with the Deltec. I didn't think of replacement parts cost because as was posted above the failure rate of either skimmer is nill. The thing I like about the Deltec is the pump is placed lower on the body than on the H&S which results in more bubbles in the skimmer, if I buy a 30inch tall skimmer I expect to use all of the height not half of it like the H&S. And as far as build quality goes I don't see any benefit of a skimmer that I beat the hell out of and not break because I don't abuse any of my equipment.
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06/21/2007, 06:21 PM
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People with Deltecs will agree that they skim better but if you get an air meter out, you will find out it's not any better than and H&S. It's not the price or the skimmate color you get from your tank. The color of the skimmate and thickness will be determined by the tank and the bio-load. Just because you see a cup full of black liquid doesn't mean it's any better than a cup filled with light brown liquid. It's wet vs. dry skimming. If you really wanted to compare the skimmer you would need to compare air intake readings and tests done on the same tank with the same conditions. I'm not out to bash Deltec, but they are way overpriced and preform as well as many of the cheaper skimmers which may even be better build and from better material.
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06/24/2007, 08:21 PM
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06/24/2007, 08:29 PM
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I am sorry but you might have to deal with the fact that Deltecs are not the best skimmer, however I will say they certainly are in the top 5 |
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06/25/2007, 12:47 AM
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Yeah, at least if his name was Bubbleking Rules, at least I could respect that.
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06/25/2007, 01:38 AM
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haha...you should see the pics I posted earlier of BK's factory where there where HUNDREDS of parts for skimmers Heres a link: http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...readid=1148739
So to make this post thread related: I've started looking at either a Deltec AP701 or a H&S A200-2xF2001, but so far its a bit like if you were a fan of one brand or the other...either way they're pretty similar. |
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06/25/2007, 09:24 AM
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There are PLENTY of sub $200 skimmers that outskim an AP600. This is typical deltec user crap. Anytime anyone doesnt like the product, its "you must have set it up wrong" or "you must not know how to use it". Deltec Rules, I've owned dozens of skimmers. The AP600 doesnt stick out at all from the other 5" recirculating skimmers, other than by price.
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06/25/2007, 10:54 AM
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Besides, his name is "Deltec Rules." That absolutely destroys any credibility he has in the discussion of deltec equipment. As to the eheims not breaking, there have been some, and when you spend $1000+ on a skimmer, I'd expect the company to replace them. As we've seen, deltec isnt too good about that.
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06/25/2007, 11:24 AM
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Well, in all fairness to deltec USA, the main complaints have come from people who bought Deltecs in other countries, like Malaysia and Isreal. They are just not lucky enough to have a good distributor like we do, so they call on Doug to help them out. I don't know if I've seen anyone who's bough their skimmer from Doug at Deltec USA be refused service.
I'm not a Deltec owner, I just thought it was only fair to explain the "whole situation" rather that just claiming that "Deltec owners" we're not being helped, from a nonbiased stand point.
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06/25/2007, 11:39 AM
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Jim, I've seen plenty of US users have problems with Deltec USA. The problem isnt usually Doug though. In most cases, it sounds like he wants to help, but has his hands tied by corporate.
99% of the issues I've seen have been Aquabee related.
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A realistic concern is the pump failing prematurely. Again, I was unable to find a Deltec or H&S owner that has needed to replace their Ehiem pump. If you install your skimmer properly and maintain it, that Ehiem pump will last WAY beyond the manufacturer warranty. I would say that the odds of needing a $500 replacement pump are close to zero.
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