Interceptor question - Page 5

pi · #**101** 05/18/2004, 02:01 PM

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Second, I'm not finding that it works particularly well

Can you elaborate on this comment? Are you saying, based on your work, Interceptor is not working well?

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Fourth, as I have just now found, the adult bugs can live 3-4 days without a host. All the ones I isolated have now died.

I would also like to hear more about this. How were you able to determine it was the absence of the coral host that caused the bugs to die?

Thanks!

paul

Greg Hiller · #**102** 05/18/2004, 04:29 PM

Knock yourself out Eric, I'm sure we all will appreciate your work on the bugs. Glad to see you read the article. Also glad to see you consider the organisms to be a problems now.

Bomber · #**103** 05/18/2004, 05:25 PM

Greg can you give me the link to the thread in SPS? I can't find it.

Thanks

otolith · #**104** 05/18/2004, 07:43 PM

Eric, I believe that Dustin from ORA tried a couple drugs similar to Interceptor, but there was something else in Interceptor that made it work (can't remember what, though). Maybe that's why you didn't find treating with the generic form a success.

chewie · #**105** 05/19/2004, 09:28 AM

Here you go Jerel.

http://www.advancedaquarist.com/index/

oops. It won't directly link you but, it's in the June 2003 issue.

jfinch · #**106** 05/19/2004, 09:55 AM

How 'bout: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issu...03/feature.htm

Bomber · #**107** 05/19/2004, 10:54 AM

Got it! I'll print it out and read it ASAP

Isn't Interceptor oil based? I would think it would be because of the way it's made to work on a dog or cat.
If that's the case, you'd need a emulsifier with it.

Too much trouble.

G-money · #**108** 05/19/2004, 11:45 AM

Jerel,

It works without an emulsifier, though.

It isn't very soluble, but it definitely works.

chewie · #**109** 05/19/2004, 11:55 AM

Graham,

Have you seen any red bugs yet? I remember you finishing your treatment before me. I did my last 2+ weeks ago and haven't seen one since.

I have seen a few Amphipods though, even before I started re-populating them from my softy tank.

G-money · #**110** 05/19/2004, 12:16 PM

chewie,

No red bugs. It's been almost a month since the 3rd treatment. I thought I saw one single bug on the most heavily infested coral a few days after the first treatment, but it wasn't moving, so it was probably just that death grip thing.

Interestingly, no crabs were affected (the hermits I couldn't find in time to remove) and although I saw a fair number of mysid shells floating around, their numbers were not visibly all that impacted. My mandarin's belly was and is still plump after treating, so I'd speculate that the pods weren't all wiped out either...
I do have trouble with the "selective pod" idea, though. I was worried that if some pods survived, some bugs would, too - but so far so good!

SeanT · #**111** 05/21/2004, 04:39 PM

Soooooooooooo,
M. Randy, Mr. Bomber, Mr. Eric...any headway?

Dustin · #**112** 05/21/2004, 05:10 PM

Eric, in my experience treating corals with lugols is quite effective. However lugols is not an option if the tank is already infested. There has to be some stage where the "bugs" are planktonic or resting on another substrate/surface in the aquarium. I had a system where every single coral was treated in a very harsh lugols bath (1ml/L for 15min) for 3 months. The treatments took place every week for a month, then every other week for a month. Then a single treatment 4 weeks later. The bugs still returned.

The interceptor treatment seems to be the best option for treating an entire tank. A single treatment wipes out close to 100% of the visible animals. However, it takes more than one treatment. There have been a couple of reports on this board about the treatment not being effective. In those cases only 1 treatment was done.
I treated a system for 1 month with two treatments per week (every thursday and friday). It has only been 3-4 months, but 4 sets of eyes look for bugs every single day. Our amphipod and copepod populations bounced back within weeks. The mysis are completely gone though.

I did tests with interceptor at 10x and 100x the dosage used to treat an aquarium. The bugs lasted 1hr to 30min. The corals were completely unharmed. I dont think that all of the medication dissolved completely in either treatment, even with the use of a magnetic stirrer. I don't think interceptor is as effective for dipping as Iodine is, but it doesnt have the harsh side effects.

I am glad you had the chance to test ivermectin on them. I was planning on testing that on some corals I have coming in next week. Looks like I can scratch that idea.

I think right now the most useful information would be figuring out more about their life cycle so that the treatments can be timed better.

Bomber · #**113** 05/22/2004, 10:58 AM

Sean, Lots.

More later.

AcroSteve · #**114** 05/22/2004, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Bomber
Sean, Lots.

More later.

What a tease!

Randy Holmes-Farley · #**115** 05/22/2004, 08:55 PM

M. Randy, Mr. Bomber, Mr. Eric...any headway?

Sure, lots of headway. I finally understand why I got that letter from Fidelity on Friday accusing me of securities trading violations. I'd never heard of Regulation T before

Oh, you probably mean on red bugs. I'm largely leaving that to folks with the bugs.

badspstank · #**116** 05/22/2004, 10:35 PM

I just treated with great results

SeanT · #**117** 05/26/2004, 10:32 PM

Bomber · #**118** 05/27/2004, 11:12 AM

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Originally posted by SeanT

Why did you draw a blank on that one Sean? LOL

I'm having problems here. The stinking rock wants to suck it up.

Bomber · #**119** 05/27/2004, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by SeanT
shuffles papers
Clears throat
And bumps to the top

Ah ha! I took out your little invisible things!

SeanT · #**120** 05/27/2004, 08:14 PM

lol Just noticed it myself.

Sooooooooo...what's going on?

Bomber · #**121** 05/28/2004, 06:33 AM

and the corals suck it up if they aren't sealed.

doesn't seem to hurt them though, but it's not something you'd want to put in the main tank.

SeanT · #**122** 05/28/2004, 01:24 PM

Hey Bomber,
You are saying that the rock and the corals "suck up" the interceptor?
Or something else?
Also, how do you "seal" a coral?
I am imagining you vacuum packing them.

photobarry · #**123** 05/28/2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by SeanT
Also, how do you "seal" a coral?
I am imagining you vacuum packing them.

I think he means if there is exposed skeleton, then it sucks up the chemical.

SeanT · #**124** 05/31/2004, 09:36 PM

So Bomber, Eric,
Do you recommend the use of Intereptor on a full tank where the ability to remove every coral, dip them, and warehouse them for an extended period of time while the red bugs die-off is not an option?
Or have you come up with something else?

Thanks,
Sean

jonthefb · #**125** 06/22/2004, 08:52 AM

any progress to this mess?
just suriously tagging along!
good luck
jon