Eco-Aqualizer (may fama article)

[Boomer]

I'm sure you guys mistyped "Bobby", so I corrected it

Wssssssssu, yes Randy it was suppose to be Bobby and not whatever. Based on Jer's post I can imagine what I did type I don't want to get in trouble again,once was enough

[Habib]

Boomer,

You was just thinking of something and typed that. You can't be blamed for that after you having reading some of the patents.

[Boomer]

Good thinkin'

So that means I can blame you and Randy, even 'er

[Habib]

Boomy

So that means I can blame you and Randy,

You may blame me. No problem.

[Adam]

Hi all,

If Bob doesn't think too highly of Ron, perhaps he has some of my respect back .

Adam

[dnjan]

Originally posted by wizardgus
Actually, I'm open to anything up to singing to the fish, if you show that it works

Don't do it! I tried that, the fish were OK, but all my corals bleached!

I want more details on this (singing). Were you by chance singing the lyrics to a heavy metal song?

[Adam]

dnjan,

FWIW, I have noted higher growth rates in my corals if I play Tool CD's at high volume.

Growth rates decrease with Brittney Spears and 'N Sync.

Rapid death occurs when you play John Tesh, Barry Manilow, Celine Dion, Barbar Streisand or any contemporary country.

Barry White, Tom Jones and Red Hot Chili Peppers all caused mass spawning events.

Anything played on the Delilah radio show causes nausea and vomiting in human subjects.

Adam

[dnjan]

Finally, significant data!

[mkirda]

Originally posted by Adam
Anything played on the Delilah radio show causes nausea and vomiting in human subjects.

Adam [/B]

Ya know, I've always fantisized about calling into Delilah and babbling about how I loved my wife and how I had something I wanted to give her, and that I was heading home right now and I wanted Delilah to play something from me to her that would really show how I felt...

I mean, Delilah really falls for that crap...

She'd croon in about how sweet that was and ask me for the song...

And I'd reply...

"Bullet in the Head by Rage against the Machine"

Then I'd say... "Thanks, Slutbucket!", my pet-name for Delilah, which my wife absolutely abhores.

Imagine speaking at IMAC in the same time slot as the Eco-Aqualizer guys. I did. Had a good dozen people come up to me afterwards who said they wished they had come to my presentation instead. Never did get to talk to Sam...

Regards.
Mike Kirda

[Boomer]

Hi Mikey'

Where have you been hiddin' ?


Adam

FWIW, I have noted higher growth rates in my corals if I play Tool CD's at high volume.

Growth rates decrease with Brittney Spears and 'N Sync.

Rapid death occurs when you play John Tesh, Barry Manilow, Celine Dion, Barbar Streisand or any contemporary country.

Barry White, Tom Jones and Red Hot Chili Peppers all caused mass spawning events.

Anything played on the Delilah radio show causes nausea and vomiting in human subjects.

[Adam]

Mike,

Great minds.....

I have had nearly the same fantasy. Getting on the air would be a snap as long as you can act stupid enough.

Mine went more along the lines of requesting things that weren't obviously a set-up, but that I knew she would never have heard of. Then I would yell and scream for not having "our song" and ruining the whole thing.

And BTW, you jumped right to the top of my wifes list by supplying me with "**** bucket"!

Adam

[mkirda]

Originally posted by Boomer
Hi Mikey'

Where have you been hiddin' ?

Oh, I been here and there...
Don't get to RC all that much.

Couldn't resist replying before...

Regards.
Mike Kirda

[jman785]

I'm guessing the way this product works is there is a radioactive dust or waste inside of the tube thats surrounded by lead to keep the radioactiveness from getting out of the tube and as the water passes through its erradicated I gues syou could say, don't knock it until you try it...I had a free version sent to me to try and it works wonders...

- Jared

[Splendid Warrior]

Hey guys,
came across this Q&A on Extremereef.com. The questions were posted by ER members to Carl Denzer of Eco Aqualizer. I'm a chemistry tard but I thought you guys should see this.

Q: Photons are electromagnetic radiation. This radiation is known as light,
in this case far infrared light. To have light you need energy. If you need
no electricity for the ECO-Aqualizer, where does the energy come from to build the photons? The same question in other words, if ECO-Aqualizer puts energy into the water (breaking down some Hydrogen bondings) what is the source for that energy?

A: Recent studies on biotechnology revealed that
the far-infrared rays having wavelength ranging from 6
microns to 14 microns played an important role for
formation and growing of living things.

For this reason, this specific far-infrared rays are
called "biogenetic rays". All living things on the
earth have, as integral parts of them, water and
proteins. Water molecules are always oscillating. If
water molecules are expose to oscillating action of
8-10 micron wavelength (some as wavelength of water
molecular oscillation), the "resonance" occurs between
the two oscillations.

The resonance causes ionization of water into hydrogen
ion and hydroxide ion at extremely high speed (10/12
sec.). This ionization is called "activation of
water". If such activation of water occurs cellular
tissues, the metabolism of cells and excretion of
residues from cells or nutrition are enhanced ..
promoted growing of living things. The infrared rays
from the sun are peak at 3.5 to 10 microns of
wavelength. Therefore it can be easily understood that
the infrared rays 0f 6 to 14 microns are particularly
important for a living things.

Our 'Far infrared" is not an actual light source that needs energy to operate it. It is in itself a type of electromagnetic radiation and throws off its own energy as explained above. This biotechnology was originally developed by NASA and further refined by the medical industry. It is a bioceramic reflective material which has properties of electromagnetic radiation yielding the far infrared wavelength.

Q: Why do fishes become lethargic when ECO-Aqualizer is overdosed?

A: First, this customer that posted that info was not using proper guidelines. He as using a unit twice as large as his tank. I don't like to use the term overdosed, but his observations may have been a temporary adjustment. There is
some scientific evidence and corresponding opinion
that the observation is resultant to maximized
resonant energy of living animals. If the organism
has been conditioned to a level of energy and the
environment changes, it takes adjustment. The
organisms must adapt to changes in ion strength as per
conditions like osmotic pressure.

Research has revealed the evidence that all structural
changes of water dispersed systems treated by magnetic
field have to do with the ions of substances present
in the water, colloidal particles of considerable
magnetic susceptibility and water changes.

One can get the smattering of magnetic field effects
on water dispersed systems to a certain extent, if
proceed from the theory that links structural changes
of water dispersed systems to ion formation. According
to this theory, the magnetic field affects the ions
making their way through it and brings about the
Lorentz forces, which can be calculated by way of the
following equation:

F = K · q · v · H · sin a (1) given that,
K - coefficient of proportionality;
q - ion charge;
v - ion velocity;
H - magnetic field strength;
a - angle of magnetic field direction with the ion flow.

The equation (1) shows that the Lorentz forces
intensify with the growth of ion charge, magnetic
field strength, flow velocity and perpendicularity of
ions crossing magnetic field lines. The Lorentz forces
act on positively and negatively charged ions (cations
and anions) and make them diverge in opposite
directions.

We ask that everyone use the proper unit to avoid sudden fluxes, please refer to website for indication of proper unit. Bigger is not Better and unnecessary expense.

Q: Magnets are used in water conduits for restructuring calcium carbonate
ions, decreasing tartar (is this the right word for that white coating
building up in kettles? ). Will these ions also be restructured in our
aquarium water and what effect will this have?

A: Yes. However keep in mind the nature of the
solution (marine water) and the importance to view
such as a solvent to solute relationship. The
aquarium is a matrix of ions and molecules searching
for equilibrium or satisfied ground state.

Water structure changes set off by addition of
dissolved substances (impurities) can be of different
degree and are dependent upon the value and nature of
charge distribution in ions (particles), their sizes,
configuration and other reasons. Impurities enter the
voids of the water hexagonal cage with stabilizing or
destroying effects subject to the size of additives.
That is why both the structure and properties of water
dispersed systems hinge upon the nature of dispersed
phase, concentration, temperature, etc.

When magnetic field is applied from outside, water
dispersed systems have precession of individual shells
of the particles present in the water. It also
initiates polarization of electron clouds in water
molecules. However, unlike pure water with nearly same
precession in identical atoms because of equality of
all molecules, identical atoms do not precede at the
same interval in solutions. This is caused by
diversified polarization of molecules by ion electric
fields. There is also a different shift of electric
shells of water molecules that envelop the ions.

Q: The website states that "..as toxins are added to your tank, water molecules become tightly bonded to each other" Water molecules are always bonded to each other. Hydrogen bonds create matrices within a water column are the reason why water does the fantastic things that it does (ice floating, capillary action, universal solvent, etc, etc) These hydrogen bonds are fleeting and are even more shortly lived that the ionic bonding experience between Sodium and chloride ions. To eliminate or even significantly effect hydrogen bonding....? I can see how a properly aligned magnetic field could affect polarization off of a polar solvent, but in a 3 dimensional matrix I don't see how hydrogen bonding could not come into play.

A: The hydrogen bond is in this case the secondary
player when viewed in this perspective. Let's go back
to the original topic. In simplest terms we have two
subjects of interest as solvent and solute. Solvent
is aquarium water and solutes have been all, which is
contained in the solvent. Taking a real close look at
sea salts and all the biological properties of a
living system this would be a far reaching array of
ions and molecules. This leads to the concept of the
micelle or structured interaction of the solutes.
Energy relationships and interrelationships have been
illustrated as of great importance, particularly when
viewed from photon and the resonance association to
energy. To change and realign the web of water
molecules is naturally rearranging many H-H attracting
relationships. The water molecules themselves are
constantly changing, reacting, and moving to electron
charge field and subsequent natural Electromagnetic field. Adding external magnetic field assuredly alters the
mechanisms.

Q: The website goes on to mention overall decreases in phosphorus, chlorides, sulfates and others, however the page does not mention how this mass transfer takes place. Where do the chloride and sulfate go? Salt creep?

A: The magnetic device does not remove or add
particles (mass). If there is exchange of sorts it is
exchange with the hydrosphere to atmosphere of
products like N2 and radical oxygen. Decrease of ion
elements like phosphorous, chlorides, sulfates, and
others is a change in state. Theoretically what we
see is a change to availability of the living
system we've created called the aquarium. It is
important to note that all of the elements mentioned
have biological uses. If in acceptable form they are
placed back into the living energy cycle.

Our original lab work was conducted by an outside source, several years ago. Our testing and test probes we use are designed to measure ionic states dependent on the limitations of
their design. We do not measure all the states ions
and molecules have. Of the above mentioned elements
what is the preferred by living cells so as to
exchange substances across membranes by osmotic
differential? What changes must the cell perform to
meet such requirements? Is it more difficult to
achieve osmotic exchange when water micelle is more
complex?

Again let's go back to water as a solvent and remembering that oxygen has a negative charge due to its unsharing pair of electrons, and hydrogens have a positive charge. Water is also a solvent for electrolytes like the afore mentioned list. The electrolytes / metabolites will orient themselves to the magnetic field, thereby moving the water molecule into an ordered form according to the electrolyte micelle. The structure and function of the natural micelle has been realigned. The alignment will help photon and osmotic mechanisms if for no other reason than enthalpy. In lose terms it can be thought of as bioavailability. Also, because of the new realignment, and transfer of energy (electrons), we have in effect ionization. Which is simply the transfer of electron ions.

Hope these all helps answer your questions adequately.

As always a pleasure......... Carl Denzer

[beerguy]

ROFLMAO

[Habib]

If you look at this board or on several other boards then most people who did post anything positive about the eco-aqualizer have become member of that board quite recently.

In some cases it is even the first post ever made.


Since hobby experience has nothing to do with date of becoming a member, I don't think that experience has anything to do with using the eco-aqualizer.

There must be a different explanation for what I think is strange/funny.

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Jared:

I'm guessing the way this product works is there is a radioactive dust or waste inside of the tube thats surrounded by lead to keep the radioactiveness from getting out of the tube and as the water passes through its erradicated I gues syou could say, don't knock it until you try it...I had a free version sent to me to try and it works wonders...

I hope that is meant to be a joke. It definately does not work that way, based on everything that the manufacutrer claims and the associated references they've given. If it did in fact work that way, I'd never let it in my house, much less use it, and they certainly could not sell it to the public.

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Splendid Warrior:

Thanks for posting that. I'd seen it before, but others here may not have. It sure clears everything up, doesn't it.

Habib:

There must be a different explanation for what I think is strange/funny.

I hope the logical explanation isn't the true one.

[3_high_low]

You guys are too funny. I'm not the scientist of the family. (That would be Mr Quality.) I'll show him the article and see what he says, but I think you guys have sufficiently knocked it about. Has anyone seen the July 2003 statement?

PS I once read of a person placing a twinky on top of the aquarium and swearing by the benifits. j/k

[WaterKeeper]

Please be careful what you say here. In the EA thread I've been involved in the Almighty himself is defending the product.

http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...96#post1435996

But in church today, the deity did not reveal unto me whether it would remove chloramines.

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

From the July 2003 article:

. I spoke to ECO-Aqualizer’s scientific advisor, Sam Gamble, and was told that the magnetic effect that ECO has on water molecules allows light photons to pass through the water easier. It sounded weird to me but my LUX meter did not lie.



Thanks for both of those links, guys.

[Mr_Quality]

How could I have missed this thread?

My brother clued me in…pretty cute stuff. All this stuff w/ magnetic fields and aligning the water molecules, isn’t that something like a microwave oven? I guess alchemy is still thriving in the 21st century. My only question, where does the gold come out?

Mike


BTW Randy, I'm in Beantown as I write this reply. Leaving Saturday.

[billsreef]

Originally posted by Mr_Quality
I guess alchemy is still thriving in the 21st century. My only question, where does the gold come out?

21'st century alchemy doesn't produce gold, but rather US currency that the alchemist collects from the gullible

BTW I've got some trace element rich water with special coral and macro growing properties from special well that I can sell for $29.99 per gallon. Has higher concentrations of trace elements than highly regarded supplements from the big manufactures

[WaterKeeper]

Ahhh. The Famous Fire Island Water.

[3_high_low]

Well maybe I should run some plumbing from the 180 gallon at work to the 1.5 Tesla MRI scanner. Heck, I could turn on the scanner and bomb the water with RF pulses and time varying gradient fields too. I could then market NMR scanners for the aquarium industry and get rich. I shall call it the Aqua-Alchemizer.