Tunze nano mod

[dhnguyen]

$30 or 5 minutes of your time to mod a stopper for the 6025. Your choice. I don't know too many people who makes $360/hr.

[hounddog01]

You are correct about the hourly wage! I will look back thru the thread and see if I can find a pic of the stopper mod. I have seen where it is dremeled but not the stoper. If you have a page number or a picture that would be great!

[jacmyoung]

Originally posted by hounddog01
So you are saying that the 6045 is probably worth the extra $30 if I want less maintenance. This is good to know because I travel often and my wife watches the tank.

I already read more than one person had his 6025 pump stopped when he tried to restart it, and needed to clean it, nothing to do with broken shaft or anything. I haven't heard any 6045 users reporting such. The 6025 prop is running right at its motor's capacity, but the 6045 motor has some more juice left to handle the buildup a lot longer, just my speculation.

There is the downside of having a very efficient pump, more cleaning is needed. Fortunately the 6045 is just as efficient but may be more forgiving. We will need some more time in order to confirm that but it does follow some logic.

As far as the stopper mod, depending on which one you are talking about, the one I did that duplicates the 6045 built-in stopper certainly takes mroe than 5 minutes to make no matter how good you are.

So for some people I can certainly see the benefits of the 6045 I mentioned above may easily justify the extra $30.

[hounddog01]

Thank you for your comments. I think I will just spend the extra $30.00 and get the 6045. I am considering replacing my 6060 stream with 2 6045's. I think they look better and I can direct the flow in mutiple locations.

One thing I have found is that it is better to get the good stuff than to buy it later.

[jacmyoung]

Originally posted by hounddog01
Thank you for your comments. I think I will just spend the extra $30.00 and get the 6045. I am considering replacing my 6060 stream with 2 6045's. I think they look better and I can direct the flow in mutiple locations.

One thing I have found is that it is better to get the good stuff than to buy it later.

Just remember the standard mod is still very easy to do, less than 5 minutes you get 15% more flow, and if you can do the full blast mod a total of 30% flow increase. This is assume you use 6045.

[FishyBiz]

I just got a 6045 and did the standard mod - high flow mod- and wide flow mod. I hid it behind some rocks in my 190gallon and its working great.

[green_frogspawn]

just did the standard mod then, very happy with the results

[jacmyoung]

Well two more items to post here.

First Roger has lately been saying the 6045 motor is the same as the 6025's, the reason it is heavier is it has more resin around it. This claim does not agree with my test since my 6045 clearly can drive a bigger prop while my 6025 puked on it right the way. However it does imply that Tunze will not condone such mod.

All the mods associated with the front housing should not have impact on the pump itself since they do not involve the prop and motor, in fact if you remove the front cover and have the pump run "naked" you will probably get the most flow out of it.

Secondly, I have been trying to find a way to attach my spare 6025 to my overflow box but since it has two layers plus mine is semi-circle shape the mag-holders were too far apart they could not secure the pump. I know some had already attached the pumps to their overflow boxes using the two mag-holders, I assume they have single-layer overflow boxes, I don't know if they have noticed any vibration or noise from such attachment?

Roger just mentioned the two screw holes on the mag holder. I have seen them but it never clicked on me. It should be very easy to put two screws through the holes and attach the pump directly to the overflow box's outer layer, in fact there are intake slits already on the outer layer of the overflow box to take the screws. I will try to do just that so this pump can be easily hidden at the mid-level on the overflow box.

The important thing to know is do not penetrate the inner overflow box layer.

[hounddog01]

So how does the 6045 produce more flow then the 6025 if they are the same motor does the 6045 have a bigger prop?

[skydancer]

Originally posted by hounddog01
So how does the 6045 produce more flow then the 6025 if they are the same motor does the 6045 have a bigger prop?

The housing is slightly different, but once you do the standard and high flow mod to the 6025 and the 6045, the difference in flow between the two is negligible.

[dhnguyen]

jacmyoung

If my experience with modding the MJs and other pumps/powerheads have taught me anything is that not all motor/impeller magnets are exactly the same in strength and build. There will be inconsistencies that will make some motors stronger or weaker than others.
I do believe that the motors of the 6025 and 6045 are the same. Maybe you should try swapping the 6025 magnet with a 6045 magnet and see if that same 6025 motor would drive the larger prop.


D.

[jacmyoung]

Originally posted by hounddog01
So how does the 6045 produce more flow then the 6025 if they are the same motor does the 6045 have a bigger prop?

The 6055 prop is bigger than the 6025/6045 prop, or should we say the 6025/6045's are trimmed down version of the original Nanostream props, the 6055's retained the original size.

Since I had no use of the 6055 prop after my mod that uses a 6200 Stream pump prop, I put the bigger prop in my 6045 motor it ran fine, then put it in my 6025 motor it choked.

My 6045 with the bigger 6055 prop was tested to pump nearly 1500 gph. I did decide to trim down the 6055 prop a little to make sure it does not over-drive my 6045 motor, but it is still bigger than the 6025/6045 stock prop therefore still pumping out about 250 gph more. It also draws 8.5W, more than the 7W draw of the stock 6025/6045 pumps.

dhnguyen, I only have one 6045 and one 6025 to compare.

[dga]

Originally posted by skydancer
Yep, totally agree with you. Anyone that pays the 30 extra bucks to get the 6045 is not making a smart decision. There is a lot to be said about creative marketing... and when one figures out the truth and exposes it... then one becomes a villain...

after reading every post in this thread, "i am not making a smart decision by purchasing the 6045?? in stock form it produces more output than a modded 6025, has absolutly no problem in operation. ie: clicking to much, not spinning the correct direction, propeller shooting out, not starting after shutting off/restart etc...

[jacmyoung]

Originally posted by dga
after reading every post in this thread, "i am not making a smart decision by purchasing the 6045?? in stock form it produces more output than a modded 6025, has absolutly no problem in operation. ie: clicking to much, not spinning the correct direction, propeller shooting out, not starting after shutting off/restart etc...

Hey look, Skydancer was the very first one who pointed out the inaccurate specs advertised by Tunze, and this is at the very start of Nano sale. He also was the only one at the time to produce all the flow test data to help to jump start this thread. Back then we did not have the luxury to compare 6025 and 6045 side by side, they were rarely available at the same time. The fact remains they pump out the same flow, draw the same watts, so the statement still is not entirely wrong.

Only recently I have made some comments about the benefits of 6045 after I got a 6045 motor to replace my broken 6025 motor from Tunze, and as a result had a chance to compare the two and just so happened I also got a 6055 sooner than everyone else and tried the prop on the 6045 motor. I would not have bought a 6045 on its own.

Consider all of the above, there is no reason for you to come here and throw insult on a fellow nano user by digging up a very early comment, you either got lucky, or benefited from the trial and errors--lessons learned and generously shared by the pioneers like Mr. Pink Floyd and Skydancer.

[Fusch13]

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[kslick]

Here we go again...... I bought the 6045 and in no way felt insulted.

[skydancer]

Originally posted by dga
after reading every post in this thread, "i am not making a smart decision by purchasing the 6045?? in stock form it produces more output than a modded 6025, has absolutly no problem in operation. ie: clicking to much, not spinning the correct direction, propeller shooting out, not starting after shutting off/restart etc...

Hey dga,
I encourage you to buy a 6045, test the flow of the stock 6045 and report back on your findings. Even if ONE of the 6045 pumps sold today puts out the original advertized 1189 GPH, or even the revised (" approx 1100 GPH" - direct comment from Tunze) flow, then I'll withdraw my comments.

Until then, the smart thing to do is read a lot and speak a little.

[jacmyoung]

Originally posted by kslick
Here we go again...... I bought the 6045 and in no way felt insulted.

Did anyone try to insult you? When did you buy the 6045?

[doomicon]

Modded my 6025s with the original cut away. I have two and was only going to do one. The difference was so drastic I immediately modded the second. No issues (clicking, restarts, etc.).

Thanks for the info!

[kslick]

I bought the 6045 about a month and a half ago. Someone did, but I'll leave it at that.

[burton14e7]

People still buy the fastest processors in a line up when in fact it is the same processor as the lower clocked versions. The lower clocks are just locked in but can be unlocked. I have a gut feeling that most of the people in this thread didn't buy the best processors out for their computers but I also bet they didn't buy the slowest one and unlock the performace. Everything is relative to whether you care or not about best performance and getting the most bang for your buck. Doesn't necessarily mean you didn't made a smart decision, just more practical to your specific needs and desires and/or didn't really care.

[doomicon]

kslick, no worries, I would've been perfectly happy with the 6045's, they just didn't have them in stock.

[kslick]

It's been a great powerhead, so I'm happy.

[jacmyoung]

Originally posted by kslick
It's been a great powerhead, so I'm happy.

I am happy with my 6045 too. Skydancer's comment was made long time ago so it could not have been an insult to you since you only bought yours a month and half ago.

The point to be made is in the early days when we had just a few 6025s around, even fewer were the 6045s, when we discovered that the 6045 was not pumping out 1189 gph rather 950 gph, and 6025 was not pumping 660 gph rather 770 gph, and after some mods both 6025 and 6045 were pumping the same 1250 gph, and with the stopper mod on the 6025, it was identical to 6045 in any way you saw it, so yes spending the extra $30 did not seem a smart move, and many 6045 owners felt the same way.

Only recently we discovered some strength and benefit of the 6045. And I just did not think it was a wise thing for dga to bring back a very old post trying to make a point of how he knew how much benefit his 6045 has, because I know for a fact he just bought his 6045 very recently, after reading all the information in this thread, most of which the result of hard work by people like skydancer, and then to use one of his earlier comments to show off your own 6045 purchase? How did you see that other than being a cheap shot?

Some of the strength of the 6045 were discovered purely by chance, my guess is had I not brought up such points about the 6045, dga would not have even realized that and probably would have come here to complain how he was cheated by Tunze.

Another thing to be said is if you don't mind doing the stopper mod for your 6025 (which is more complicated than the flow mods), a modded 6025 is still the best stream pump out there with the best value, no question about that.

[kslick]

No big deal, that's why in my earlier post I said I was not insulted, commenting on dga's post.