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Old 03/22/2005, 05:00 PM
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Here is an image from their website with the flake bag




What I'm looking closely at is that they sell a case of 8 jugs that are 4 lbs each of the flake. That would be a lot handier than a 50 lbs bag.

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Old 03/22/2005, 05:11 PM
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oh yeah this is the brand discribed earlier in this post made by dead sea works out of isreal I believe just ask for mag pellets
FYI

The picture of the bag on the web site of Mag Pellets is not the same as the bag of Mag from Dead Sea. The Dead Sea product is a flake and states product of Israel.
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Old 03/22/2005, 05:12 PM
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I guess while I was away, the pictures were posted.
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Old 03/22/2005, 05:26 PM
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It is real possible that the pics are out of date since parts of the website includes products that they no longer carry (including the 50 lbs box of MgCl2).

Hobster or Randy, can you post a pic or provide some detail of the bag from the product from Dead Sea Works that the Boston club researched?

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Old 03/22/2005, 05:40 PM
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The bag above is not the one that I have (I was at work so couldn't recall exactly). It is a white bag with a big dark blue square in the middle on botrh sides that says "magneisum chloride" in several languages.

At the bottom in large blue letters it says Dead Sea Works, LTD.
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Old 03/22/2005, 06:27 PM
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al was what he said his name was but I was on a cell phone trying to make a commercial going huh? whomever the guy is that left is who I talked to I am sure.
like i said he was very knowledgeable about his products and recommended the pellet for longer storage time since it does't react to humidity as bad as the flake. it acts in a bad way turning to gel just not as fast.
that is the same bag as the dead sea works website it may be new packaging from the last order.
randy if you want to analize it I will send you a lb or so.
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Old 03/22/2005, 06:38 PM
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It may just be repackaged specifically for snow melting.

That's great if it is the same stuff.
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Old 03/22/2005, 09:08 PM
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[QUOTENot off hand. Home Depot may even sell a suitable product in the lawn lime section (they do have dolomite there), but I've not tested any for purity. [/B][/QUOTE]

I tried the dolomite route but from what I've been told by my aquarium suppliers that they no longer bag up dolomite like they used to, and the only dolomite I could find was the Estes and they coat it with some sort of clear coat product. This thread has rekindled my search, it certainly seems like a good idea to keep Mg levels up in, especially in a big system.

I also get the Dead Sea Mg, and the packaging is the same as
"It is a white bag with a big dark blue square in the middle on botrh sides that says "magneisum chloride" in several languages".
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Old 03/23/2005, 07:29 AM
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it certainly seems like a good idea to keep Mg levels up in, especially in a big system.

Yes, although it may take a while to get a good balance of MgCO3 and CaCO3.
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Old 03/23/2005, 07:36 AM
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actually now that i looked for the pic I found it on meltsnow.com were they say they order direct from dead sea works in isreal. next to that they have a picture as shown above. Hopefully it is what we thought we were ordering maybe everyone else should hold off on ordering until I get the product and check to see what the bag says. if it doesn't say I will contact whomever's name is on the bag and look for more info.
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Old 03/23/2005, 07:38 AM
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That sounds like a good plan!
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Old 03/23/2005, 09:28 AM
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actually now that i looked for the pic I found it on meltsnow.com were they say they order direct from dead sea works in isreal. next to that they have a picture as shown above. Hopefully it is what we thought we were ordering maybe everyone else should hold off on ordering until I get the product and check to see what the bag says. if it doesn't say I will contact whomever's name is on the bag and look for more info.
Randy,

robthorn might be on to something good here! These folks are right in your area. Their website states import from Dead Sea. Could it be that it is really the same product that you guys got in a different bag??? They appear to be the major importer (22 tons!) and then wholesale to other places. How did Greg get the detailed product specification sheet on your group buy, is there a way to get one from this company?

http://www.meltsnow.com/products-dry...m-chloride.htm
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Old 03/23/2005, 10:25 AM
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I just received pricing on 50 lbs bags:

Magnesium Chloride $16.42
Calcium Chloride (Peladow) $17.69

They also carry Dowflake.

Shipping via UPS to Orlando, FL is $25.24 per bag.

He did reconfirm that the magnesium chloride is from Dead Sea Works. Whether it is a different grade, same product repackaged, or if the pic on the website is old and it is or is not what the Boston club ordered remains to be seen.

I've gone ahead a placed an order.

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Old 03/23/2005, 12:39 PM
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lutfisk what was the guys name that got the shipping info? funny how it cost so much more to ship to the other side of the state.
randy I will still ship some to you if you are willing to check it out
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Old 03/23/2005, 01:20 PM
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lutfisk what was the guys name that got the shipping info? funny how it cost so much more to ship to the other side of the state.
randy I will still ship some to you if you are willing to check it out
I think you paid $39 and some change shipped. This is $41.66. So, $2 or so isn't too bad.

The sales guy is Jere. I don't know the name of the person who calculated the shipping.

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Old 03/23/2005, 01:55 PM
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randy I will still ship some to you if you are willing to check it out

Sorry, it is a huge amount of work to test these things. The Dead Sea Works stuff came with its own analysis.
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Old 03/23/2005, 02:24 PM
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oh ok I thought you did the work. I figured it wouldn't be easy but it didn't hurt to ask.
lutefisk I see you added the boxing charge into the shipping I didn't think of that before since I stated mine seperately I just figured you did too. my bad.
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Old 03/24/2005, 03:53 PM
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FWIW,

I emailed harveysalt and they sent me a pdf of the MAG product specifications. It only listed then main elements and not any trace impurities:

MgCl2 46-48%
CaCl2 2.-3.
NaCl 0.5-1.0
KCl 0.2-1.0
Sulphates 0.02 typical
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Old 03/24/2005, 04:11 PM
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In this thread:

http://216.235.242.50/forums/showthread.php?t=3568

Greg gave the impurities of the Dead Sea Works stuff as:

Trace Element Content of Dead Sea Works
Magnesium Chloride

Element Typical(ppm) Maximum(ppm)

Mg 115000(11.5%) 125000 (12.5%)
Ca 7000 8000
Br 5000 8000
K 2500 3500
S(SO42-) 180 200
Sr 120 150
B 20 30
Li 10 15
N* 4 5
Si 9 15
Fe 3 10
P 2 3
Mn 2 3
Al 1 3
Ba 1 2
Co <1
Cr <1
Cu <1
F <1
Mo <1
Ni <1
Se <1
V <1
Zn <1
As <0.1
Hg <0.1
Pb <0.1
Cd <0.01
I n.a
Rb n.a


The numbers that you report fit that fairly well, so it may be the same material.
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Old 03/24/2005, 04:12 PM
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FWIW,

I emailed harveysalt and they sent me a pdf of the MAG product specifications. It only listed then main elements and not any trace impurities:

MgCl2 46-48%
CaCl2 2.-3.
NaCl 0.5-1.0
KCl 0.2-1.0
Sulphates 0.02 typical
Did they list the producer, grade, or any other info?

Can you post a link to the pdf?

Randy, does anyone have a copy of the documentation Dead Sea Works sent on the Boston purchase they can post?



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Old 03/24/2005, 04:15 PM
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I'd suggest that you check with Greg Hiller.
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Old 03/24/2005, 04:23 PM
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The pdf from harvey salt shows that the MAG is from Dead Sea Works ltd, BUT it remains to be determined if it is the same MgCl2 that the Boston Club ordered. They might have several different brands, grades or what ever.
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Old 03/24/2005, 11:28 PM
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hobster I think randy said it might be flake they ordered? not sure if it actually was. I would think it would be the same product contents besides maybe a moisture difference.
it is made for melting ice on roads and side walks not for human consumption. I am not sure you could ever find a grade on this product.
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Old 03/25/2005, 07:56 AM
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The stuff we have is definitely flakes.
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Old 03/25/2005, 09:13 AM
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Harvey sells both flake and pellet. I'm told that the pellet is just a different form of the same product. Like someone said earlier, it seems reasonable to assume that the pellet might store better than the flake - after all, 50lbs will take some time to work through.

The purity remains to be seen.
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