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Old 05/04/2003, 07:41 PM
Randy Holmes-Farley Randy Holmes-Farley is offline
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All I can say is get one and experiment with it.

I'm sure that's what the manufacturers want too. Sell a thousand for "testing", get a bunch of mixed results as you'd get from testing any random dodad. Make $50 per unit. That's a cool $50,000 profit. Then folks lose interest, but what the heck we made some good money, didn't we. No let's move on to the next product: it should be for weight loss as that's where the really big money is for useless treatments (read Chitosan).

At the moment, you are happy having bought yours. I'm happy not having bought one. I think we'd best leave the situation unchanged to maximize our mutual happiness.
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Old 05/05/2003, 06:02 AM
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Randy:

I don't know if I should be amused or be really angry.

Take a look at some of Sam Gable's (one of the "inventors"):

water as a liquid crystal too funny


Another one:

Calcium is a suspended mineral, reacting quickly with most nonmetals. It reacts with all halides like iodine and bromine, often forming a film on metals.


Many more:

http://www.keysmariculture.com/articles/articlelist.htm
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Old 05/05/2003, 06:24 AM
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To add some information.

Goemans did a review in several magazines. It looks like there is a link between Goemans and Sam Gable.

Sam Gable owns Keysmariculture.

On that website :

http://www.keysmariculture.com/newwave/newwave.htm


Also:



http://www.wetwebmedia.com/plenumfaq2.htm

In that one scroll down to Re: Gamble/Goemans book review


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Old 05/05/2003, 07:07 AM
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It is perhaps a totally different product but sounds fantastic and especially the approach is really good:

By now it is well documented that water has a memory and the ability to recall prior states as well as substances it has been exposed to.

The Plocher System utilizes this ability and just reminds the water of its original state as spring water. Gently reminded of this the water will restore its original properties as spring water: pure, energized and life-giving.



http://www.rplocher.com/main.asp?pageid=17
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Old 05/05/2003, 07:29 AM
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it's my personal observation that these guys were the laughing stock of IMAC.

many people commented on just how effective "snake oil" can really be...
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Old 05/05/2003, 08:43 AM
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Goemans always makes a big deal about having no ties to any manufactuers so that his always glowing product reviews are unbiased However in this case, there is a long standing relationship with Gamble going back quite a few years. So much for not having any ties

Quote:
many people commented on just how effective "snake oil" can really be...
All too true. Anyone remember Sano
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Old 05/05/2003, 09:04 AM
Randy Holmes-Farley Randy Holmes-Farley is offline
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I hope he really believes what he writes.

Calcium is a suspended mineral, reacting quickly with most nonmetals. It reacts with all halides like iodine and bromine, often forming a film on metals.

He probably read that iodine and bromine will react with calcium metal to form a film, and assumed that the same would happen in an aquarium with calcium ion and bromide or iodide ions

Hey Jerel, he's down your way. Know him?
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Old 05/05/2003, 09:23 AM
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I had a feeling this would get around to involving me somehow.

The short answer is yes! and no, I'm not going to ask Sam or Bobby about this. LOL

Sam and Bobby own Keys Mariculture, I own Keys Aquaculture. We're within walking distance of each other.

In his defense, I've using this product and my skin has never been clearer. It's taken years off my face and erased those fine lines and laugh lines I was having trouble with around my mouth and eyes.
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Old 05/05/2003, 09:54 AM
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I own Keys Aquaculture

What do you raise?
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Old 05/05/2003, 10:10 AM
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Old 05/05/2003, 10:18 AM
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Sam and Bobby own Keys Mariculture, I own Keys Aquaculture. We're within walking distance of each other.

Did you see any Klingon ships lately?
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Old 05/05/2003, 10:35 AM
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Oh God in Heaven! you're baiting me........

...................and you know how hard it is for me to resist!

Hab you know the joke and the answer. I don't think I can say that here. LOL
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Old 05/05/2003, 10:41 AM
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Habib,

Please stop posting links to those technical reviews!

Everytime I read or even glance at "technical bulletins" like those I feel more stupid than I did before. I'm certain the pseudotechnobabble is giving me a brainsuck.

I was just about to test calcium levels in my tank and now I can't remember how to use the test kit... I'm rereading the Salifert instructions and now they seem so much more difficult to understand... funny, they didn't before... um duh.

I believe the magnets in a tube are capible of returning me to a more pristine, less educated state via text over the internet...
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Old 05/05/2003, 10:47 AM
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This thread is getting even fuunier that the RO/DI thread

liquid crystal

Just a thought but I have a few liquid crystal display watches,waterproof, so do you thing that if I suspend them in the tank things will all line up
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Old 05/05/2003, 10:50 AM
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Just a thought but I have a few liquid crystal display watches,waterproof, so do you thing that if I suspend them in the tank things will all line up

OMG, are you crazy? Keep those things away from the tank. If every water molecule lined up, the tank would solidify. I don't think corals and fish will like being encased in 80 deg F ice.
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Old 05/05/2003, 11:13 AM
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If every water molecule lined up, the tank would solidify.

And even then it still will not be a liquid crystal unless several physicval properties would be different in different directions.
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Old 05/05/2003, 11:39 AM
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Old 05/05/2003, 02:13 PM
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Randy,

Maybe Boomer would be able to smile if you let him leave the iron mine once in a while.

"You haul 14 tons and what do ya get? Another day older and deeper in debt..."
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Old 05/05/2003, 02:22 PM
Randy Holmes-Farley Randy Holmes-Farley is offline
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"You haul 14 tons and what do ya get? Another day older and deeper in debt..."

14 tons??? He'd better do a lot better than that today or he won't be getting any older. At the going rate for iron, that's about $1.25.
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Old 05/05/2003, 02:31 PM
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SciGuy:

It's Boomer's fault. Boomer likes to play with mines (land mines, sea mines...).

Randy did say to Boomer that he had a nice mine job. You al ready guess what happend then.

I offered Boomer to work in my Gold mine but he refused because otherwise Randy would dip him in Bro-Mine.

Now I think , and I have to give someone else credit for that idea, I know how to have Boomer work for me.

I will give him a 6 month money back guarantee. If he does not like it after 6 months then he can pay me back and he may leave. Does this not sound wonderful.
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Old 05/05/2003, 03:41 PM
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Umm, it is apparent only I know what is really going on in the mine. I'm on vacation for 4 more weeks (cause Randy hasn't learned how to read fine print yet) yet but I checked in just in case, the going rate is 200,000+ tons /day.

I will give him a 6 month money back guarantee


Hab

You are a sick person , did you forget to take your meds today

It's Boomer's fault. Boomer likes to play with mines (land mines, sea mines...).......ore mines

I have this fetish with the word Mine and working in or with or around or within mines. What you guys need to worry about is what type of "mine product" I will be UPS'ing to you today. You may want to ask Jerel about his Florida Keys apartment


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Old 05/05/2003, 03:44 PM
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You guys are having WAY too much fun with this.


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Old 05/05/2003, 03:53 PM
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Just a thought but I have a few liquid crystal display watches,waterproof, so do you thing that if I suspend them in the tank things will all line up
This may work, but to be on the safe side I have decided to erect a pyramid over my tank while I rub my magnet cleaner up and down the glass real fast. .
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Old 05/05/2003, 04:03 PM
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Boom:

You are a sick person , did you forget to take your meds today

Sorry, didn't mean to insult you. Might be a different country/culture thing.


What you guys need to worry about is what type of "mine product" I will be UPS'ing to you today.

Hmmm, isn't this something Bill Gates always says?


You may want to ask Jerel about his Florida Keys apartment

He does not know it was you. He is probably blaming his neighbours' magnet company for what has happend.
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Old 05/05/2003, 05:28 PM
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Sorry, didn't mean to insult you. Might be a different country/culture thing.



Not even Habby

He does not know it was you. He is probably blaming his neighbours' magnet company for what has happend

Wssssssuh, glad you told me that, I was waiting for the Fed's to come knocking at my door They did that once
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