What rare angel is the least owned?

[danfrith]

Wow! thats one crazy angel John. And is that a clarion next to it?

[Vili_Shark]

This must be a HK tank.

[Grevious]

WOW! That is a beautiful mix!

That does look like a Clarion down the the left of the Emporor mix!

I am assuming the Clarions are still on the impossible to get list?

[copps]

Looks like a clarion, a just starting change blueface, and a white stripe maculosus...

Vili how'd you know? All of the HK aquascaping reminds me of the tanks of fish I'd see in Chinatown growing up where you picked out the fish you wanted cooked at restaurants... It's amazing some of the stunning fish you see in tanks that look like a five year old aquascaped them... and does HK have a special relationship with Kenyan exporters or something... they seem to get every chrysurus hybrid out there...

Grevious, unless you could get one of the residual clarions from the "expedition" a couple of years back, you won't be seeing any legal wild ones...

[Grevious]

Thanks for the update John.

P.S. - When are we going to get treated to some recent photos of your tank(s) and livestock?

[copps]

In the process of hacking up corals and pruning back, and setting up a 300 fish only, after which I'll jockey fish around and stock my large reef to where I'm happy... then they'll be photos...

[Maximus]

Hey John, any connections on Interruptus? I miss my pair dearly and I'm looking for more. My tank should be all cycled within a couple weeks.

[Sheol]

Yeah, Scott Michael said something about C. hoturama (sp?) requiring some extra care, but I think he forgot the cooler water detail. But since they come from deep water, it seems logical that cooler temps would apply..
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Darn! I really NEED to visit that place, been here over 14 months but don't often get into downtown Dallas very often.

Matthew

[copps]

What's up Sang! I'll PM you...

Sheol, the cool water requirements of C. hotumatua are not a result of depth, but rather it's subtropical range in nature. It can be found at standard scuba depths...

[pactrop]

I think Copps needs another TOTM article!

[Sheol]

Okay. Got that. Mostly what the entry in the book said was that they were difficult to feed. Is he talking acclimation here? he gives the fish a 3-4 rating after discussing it not being that easy to keep.
I realized the range thing when I purused the coral reef distribution map in a book. It is outside of the main area for that Centropyge..

Matthew

[copps]

Matthew, one of the things I've realized with hotus is that when they were in the trade for years not enough influence was put on their requirements for cool water I don't think... when most reefers think cool water we think 77 or around there, but these guys really need COOL water at or below 74. Most even hardcore reefers didn't provide this, and even if they did, they received the fish after weeks of transport from Easter through Hawaii, then sometimes through LA and on... all the while in systems way too warm for them... this sped the metabolism of an already stressed journey... so the question is whether this species is difficult as a species or difficult as a result of being kept in warmer water?

The C. abei that Charles has at the Waikiki Aquarium almost suffered the same fate, kept in warm water along the way... his photo in the new angelfish book is not long after he received it in rough shape... when the temp was dropped it turned around and started feeding, and when I saw it last month it looked great and was being kept too at 74...

[LargeAngels]

Now this is funny.

http://www.marinesgardens.com/Dynami...8&prod_id=1361

[coralite]

Yeah ok that is pretty funny. Only $500? I'll take four. I noticed they are also proud of the fact that they sell flamingo tongues which feed exclusively on gorgonians.

[copps]

In all seriousness peppermints should be available again next year...

[Sheol]

Well, obviously there is a need for a chiller with some of these fish, esp. but not limited to deepwater species..
Reminds me of the black top shells that routinely get sold as part of reeftank clean up crews. Unfortunately, they come from california where the water temp is in the low 60's..
Glad to hear the C. abei is doing well.

Matthew

[marc price]

Originally posted by LargeAngels
Now this is funny.

http://www.marinesgardens.com/Dynami...8&prod_id=1361

so is this:
http://www.marinesgardens.com/Dynami...35&prod_id=409

[zemuron114]

John - is Boyle collecting them again?? From what i heard he was done with those guys. to deep and not enough make it (no one wants to buy a 10K fish and have it DOA )

interesting if he is...

[Mark]

I'm thinking he's referring to captive bred(RCT Hawaii).

[Vili_Shark]

Originally posted by Mark
I'm thinking he's referring to captive bred(RCT Hawaii).

Hey John, stop with the hints man, what up?

[coralite]

Hey Mark where did you hear that? CB peppermints would be off the chain. Hope it happens.

[Mark]

Hi Jake,

I have a gut feeling, with all the hints John is dropping. The clincher for me was when Frank started working with other paracentropyge angels. Seemed like good practice, eh?

I hope he keeps breeding the resplendent as well. I have coveted that fish since seeing a pic of one in Julian's 15 gallon reef 17 years ago.

My only concern with peppermints, is that they would definitely require cooler temps. Our reefs would be a little hot for them.

[triggerfish1976]

Originally posted by Mark

My only concern with peppermints, is that they would definitely require cooler temps. Our reefs would be a little hot for them.

Note necessarily. Captive bred specimens can be conditioned to become more tolerant of tropical temperatures.

[Mark]

Originally posted by triggerfish1976
Note necessarily. Captive bred specimens can be conditioned to become more tolerant of tropical temperatures.

That's possible, but I would think not immediately. Look at discus, they are still ideally kept in the 80's. If I spent serious coin on peppermints, I'd keep them in a species tanks with corals tolerant of lower temps.

[coralite]

Originally posted by Mark
That's possible, but I would think not immediately. Look at discus, they are still ideally kept in the 80's. If I spent serious coin on peppermints, I'd keep them in a species tanks with corals tolerant of lower temps.

Thats exactly what i was thinking, right down to the discus example.