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Old 06/18/2006, 10:01 PM
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Re: Re: Going to the Keyes for the 3rd time.

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Dude dont even think about taking corals down there
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Oh you just want to take it from the ocean, you do have to have a license for that, if you want to go to the reefs and take livestock, but you could also go to places not near the reef and take some pretty cool stuff
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so i say go for it.
Sounds like you are saying two different things.
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:03 PM
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Your right i am saying 2 different things, you can not take stuff on the reef but you can take things that are near the reef, and when i mean near i mean like a couple miles away from the reef itself. And down there means down on the reef.
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:12 PM
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I just don't want to introduce anything bad to my tank and I don't want to take the risk of getting in trouble. Mot importantly though it hurst the ecosystem when you take away living life away from the ocean.
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I just don't want to introduce anything bad to my tank and I don't want to take the risk of getting in trouble. Mot importantly though it affects the ecosystem when you take away living life away from the ocean.
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:13 PM
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Smart choice. You must be a professional in order to do that.
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In order to do what?
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:22 PM
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What i mean by that is licensed and do it as a living.
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In order to do what?
Take from reefs, you have to have a license and whole bunch of other stuff to go along with that, like the guys that collect fiji rock and all of the other lr that we get.
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:24 PM
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if its illegal, its illegal. There is no license unless you have permission from the government.
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they don't collect, they cultivate. Most dump lots of rock in areas and wait until life has grown on it for it to become live.
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:28 PM
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if its illegal, its illegal. There is no license unless you have permission from the government.
That is getting a license, permission from the government, its like when you get your drivers license, the government is giving you permission to drive.
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they don't collect, they cultivate. Most dump lots of rock in areas and wait until life has grown on it for it to become live.
I think that is what tom has to do, put back to the reef, not sure though i will ask him tommorow and let you know.
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That is getting a license, permission from the government, its like when you get your drivers license, the government is giving you permission to drive.
I don't know any of the details but I know getting a license is no simple task. Everyone cannot get one just beucase.
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:32 PM
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Take from reefs, you have to have a license and whole bunch of other stuff to go along with that, like the guys that collect fiji rock and all of the other lr that we get.
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:34 PM
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were you trying to say something in your last post?
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Old 06/18/2006, 10:37 PM
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Thats funny it did not show up, yea i was,lol. There is a whole bunch of other stuff that you have to do in order to take from reefs, was what i was trying to say.
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Old 06/19/2006, 05:40 AM
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I don't know any of the details but I know getting a license is no simple task. Everyone cannot get one just beucase.
Actually it is pretty simple. Just buy a Florida Salt Water fishing license. It allows to to possess certain items. I don't remember exactly which species but you can collect from the unprotected areas. It's just that if you do chances are you'll lose most of it before you get home. I took a small arrow crab a few years ago and he did great. Although he did chase some of the shrimp around. I know you cannot take any species of Coral or any live rock. There are certail fish that are protected as well. You cannot take anything from any designated marine sanctuary.



Of couse I would hpe you know 55 that this is not directed at you. I'm just throwing this up there for everyone to see.






(Rule 68B-42, F.A.C.)

CORAL Q & A

The following are summarized recreational harvesting regulations for popular tropical-ornamental aquarium species.

License Requirement: A Florida recreational saltwater fishing license (resident or non-resident, whichever is applicable).

Closed Seasons: None.

Closed Areas: The harvest of these species is generally allowed wherever recreational fishing is allowed. However, the harvest of marine life species or the use of the gear allowed to take these species may be limited or prohibited in state or federal parks, national wildlife refuges, and portions of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. Interested persons should contact those park areas for further information.

Prohibited Species: All harvest is prohibited of the following species:
Live rock, Bahama starfish (Oreaster reticulatis), longspine urchin (Diadema antillarum), Venus sea fan (Gorgonia flabellum), common sea fan (Gorgonia ventalina), any hard or stony coral (Order Scleractinia), or any fire coral (Genus Millepora).

Allowable Harvesting Gear:

Hand Collection.
"Hand held net," means a landing or dip net, except that a portion of the bag may be constructed of clear plastic material, rather than mesh.

"Barrier net," also known as a "fence net," means a seine used beneath the surface of the water by a diver to enclose and concentrate tropical fish and which may be made of either nylon or monofilament.

"Drop net," means a small, usually circular, net with weights attached along the outer edge and a single float in the center, used by a diver to enclose and concentrate tropical fish.

"Slurp gun" means a self-contained, handheld device that captures tropical fish by rapidly drawing seawater containing such fish into a closed chamber.

Size Limits:



NAME MIN. SIZE LIMIT MAX. SIZE LIMIT
Gray angelfish 1½ 8”
French angelfish 1½ 8”
Blue angelfish 1¾ 8”
Queen angelfish 1¾ 8”
Rock beauty angelfish 2 5”
Butterflyfishes 1 4”
Gobies None 2”
Jawfishes None 4”
Porkfish 1 ½” None
Spanish hogfish 2” 8”
Cuban (spotfin) hogfish 3” 8”

Bag Limit: Aggregate bag limit of 20 species (in any combination), of the species included in the Marine Life rule as listed below. Of those 20 species, no more than 5 may be angelfish, and no more than 6 may be colonies of octocorals (each colony or part thereof is included in the aggregate bag limit). The bag limit for plants listed in this rule is 1 gallon.

Species included in this rule are as follows:

FISH

Moray eels - Any species of the Family Muraenidae.
Snake eels - Any species of the Genera Myrichthys and Myrophis of the Family
Ophichthidae.
Toadfish - Any species of the Family Batrachoididae.
Frogfish - Any species of the Family Antennariidae.
Batfish - Any species of the Family Ogcocephalidae.
Clingfish - Any species of the Family Gobiesocidae.
Trumpetfish - Any species of the Family Aulostomidae.
Cornetfish - Any species of the Family Fistulariidae.
Pipefish/seahorses - Any species of the Family Syngnathidae.
Hamlet/seabass - Any species of the Family Serranidae, except groupers of the
genera Epinephalus and Mycteroperca, and seabass of the genus
Centropristis.
Basslets - Any species of the Family Grammistidae.
Cardinalfish - Any species of the Family Apogonidae.
Porkfish - Anisotremus virginicus.
High-hat, Jackknife-fish, Spotted drum, Cubbyu - Any species of the genus Equetus
of the Family Sciaenidae.
Reef Croakers - Any of the species Odontocion dentex.
Sweepers - Any species of the Family Pempherididae.
Butterflyfish - Any species of the Family Chaetodontidae.
Angelfish - Any species of the Family Pomacanthidae.
Damselfish - Any species of the Family Pomacentridae.
Hawkfish - Any species of the Family Cirrhitidae.
Wrasse/hogfish/razorfish - Any species of the Family Labridae, except hogfish,
Lachnolaimus maximus.
Parrotfish - Any species of the Family Scaridae.
Jawfish - Any species of the Family Opistognathidae.
Blennies - Any species of the Families Clinidae or Blenniidae.
Sleepers - Any species of the Family Eleotrididae.
Gobies - Any species of the Family Gobiidae.
Tangs and surgeonfish - Any species of the Family Acanthuridae.
Filefish/triggerfish - Any species of the Family Balistidae, except gray triggerfish,
Balistes capriscus and ocean triggerfish, Canthidermis sufflamen.
Trunkfish/cowfish - Any species of the Family Ostraciidae.
Balloonfish - Diodon holocanthus.
Sharpnose puffer - Canthigaster rostrata.
Striped burrfish - Chilomycterus schoepfi.

INVERTEBRATES

Sponges - Any species of the Class Demospongia, except sheepswool, yellow,
grass, glove, finger, wire, reef, and velvet sponges, Order Dictyoceratida.
Upside-down jellyfish - Any species of the Genus Cassiopeia.
Siphonophores/hydroids - Any species of the Class Hydrozoa, except fire corals,
Order Milleporina.
Soft corals - Any species of the Subclass Octocorallia, except sea fans Gorgonia
flabellum and Gorgonia ventalina.
Sea anemones - Any species of the Orders Actinaria, Zoanthidea, Corallimorpharia,
and Ceriantharia.
Featherduster worms/calcareous tubeworms - Any species of the Families
Sabellidae and Serpulidae.
Starsnails - Any of the species Lithopoma americanum or Australium phoebium.
Nudibranchs/sea slugs - Any species of the Subclass Opisthobranchia.
Fileclams - Any species of the Genus Lima.
Octopods - Any species of the Order Octopoda, except the common octopus,
Octopodus vulgaris.
Cleaner shrimp and peppermint shrimp - Any species of the Genera Periclimenes or
Lysmata.
Coral shrimp - Any species of the Genus Stenopus.
Snapping shrimp - Any species of the Genus Alpheus.
Yellowline arrow crab - Stenorhynchus seticornis.
Furcate spider or decorator crab - Stenocionops furcatus.
Blue-legged or tricolor hermit crab - Clibanarius tricolor.
Thinstripe hermit crab - Clibanarius vittatus.
Polkadotted hermit crab - Phimochirus operculatus.
Spotted porcelain crab - Porcellana sayana.
Nimble spray or urchin crab - Percnon gibbesi.
False arrow crab - Metoporhaphis calcarata.
Starfish - Any species of the Class Asteroidea, except the Bahama starfish, Oreaster
reticulatus.
Brittlestars - Any species of the Class Ophiuroidea.
Sea urchins - Any species of the Class Echinoidea, except longspine urchin,
Diadema antillarum, and sand dollars and sea biscuits, Order Clypeasteroida.
Sea cucumbers - Any species of the Class Holothuroidea.
Sea lilies - Any species of the Class Crinoidea.

PLANTS

Caulerpa - Any species of the Family Caulerpaceae.
Halimeda/mermaid’s fan/mermaid’s shaving brush - Any species of the Family
Halimedaceae.
Coralline red algae - Any species of the Family Corallinaceae.


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wow thanks hockeyjimm. Thats very useful.



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Take from reefs, you have to have a license and whole bunch of other stuff to go along with that, like the guys that collect fiji rock and all of the other lr that we get.
I think Bluecarpet was saying something that was not true. If its protected, you can't take corals or livestock from the area. There is no liscense bc its protected. It ILLEGAL.
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Old 06/19/2006, 02:23 PM
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Well fiji rock is protected, but yet fiji lr is the most popular in the aquarium hobby. It is illegal to drive a car without a license but if you get one it is legal. Same with the reefs, but that said it does not mean you can tear the reef apart to your discretion, there are limits on how much you can take.
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If its protected, its protected. You can't take from it at all!!!

fiji liverock is cultivated not collected. That means they dump a lot of dead rock in fiji water and over time it becomes live and then they sell it.
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Say in looe keye reef, thats protected. You can't get corals there no matter what.
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Old 06/19/2006, 02:35 PM
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Yes you can but you have to cultivate like you said, put back.
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You cannot take away from reefs that are protected. there is no such as getting a liscense for an area that is protected. There are other places to get Florida Ricorida than one reef. Bluecarpet, did you even read hockeyjimm's post. That might help you out.
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Closed Areas: The harvest of these species is generally allowed wherever recreational fishing is allowed. However, the harvest of marine life species or the use of the gear allowed to take these species may be limited or prohibited in state or federal parks, national wildlife refuges, and portions of the Florida Keys National Marine Sanctuary. Interested persons should contact those park areas for further information.
May be limited or prohibited. Would you like tom's number to talk to him personally, he does this for a living. Just call me up and i will be happy to give it to you, i missed placed your number.
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This is getting to politcal which is prohibited on this site.

http://reefcentral.com/agreement.php

I have just unsubscribed to this thread. I think I got my point across.
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