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Old 08/10/2005, 04:17 PM
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New prop system

Hi all,

I'm planning my first prop system for hard and soft corals and want all advice I can get:

Dimensions: 79 x 27 x 16 (148 gal) - 16" is too much for height?

Filtration: live rock (lbs?) and DIY skimmer in sump, bare-bottom?

Lighting: 3 x 150W hqi (10k or 14k?) + T8 actinic + natural light, the tank is going to be in front of a window (North, no direct sun);

Auto Top-off with RO/DI and Nielsen reactor;

Water circulation 15x tank volume;

I'm going to use natural seawater;

In the future I'm planning to use a Calcium reactor;

I'm not planning to use any chemical product to increase coral growth;

I'm planning to do frequent water changes for nutrient recycling and pristine water conditions.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thank you,
Ricardo Rodrigues
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Old 08/10/2005, 06:48 PM
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what are your goals?
ie a for profit venture vs hobby level for locals,
display worthy prop system vs bare bones garage style system,
maxiumum growth vs best coloration, etc

what type of start up and maintenance budget do you have?

answers to questions like these will influence best approaches
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Old 08/11/2005, 02:02 AM
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Hi sharkdude,

My goals are: first time profit venture, garage style system and maximum growth with strong coloration. For live start-up I've got several corals that Iā€™ used to propagate in my 190 gal and 55 gal reef tanks. What do you mean with maintenance budget?

Regards,
Ricardo Rodrigues
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Old 08/11/2005, 03:55 AM
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16" is just fine IMO, my new 60" x 48" will be 16" tall. Costing me another $200 as it requires thicker acrylic for both the sides and the eurobracing.
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Old 08/14/2005, 12:21 PM
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I think 16" is a good hieght but not for a prop tank. mine is 13.5" tall and I think it could be shorter. 48" x 36" x 13.5 ~90 gals.

If I would do mine over again it would be around 10-11" tall.
but if you are going to do a sandbed 16" may not be so bad. I am not doing a sand bed because when corals fall off the racks they can get buried and die in the sand.

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Old 08/14/2005, 04:00 PM
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Height

I think 8-10" with a barebottom is the way to go. Good Luck with your project
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Old 10/10/2005, 01:15 PM
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Hi,

The wood structure that's going to support the prop tank and sump is already done.

The tank's height is going to be 12".





Hope to post more more updates soon.

Ricardo
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Old 10/10/2005, 01:17 PM
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looks good! Is that stand made out of hard wood?

Goby
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Old 10/10/2005, 01:30 PM
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Yes, pine wood and MDF.

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Old 10/10/2005, 01:34 PM
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well....here in the US pine is considered soft wood. Looks too red to be pine....but hey if you say its pine, then its pine.

Looks good!

Goby
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Old 10/10/2005, 01:37 PM
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What's the diference between soft and hard wood?
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Old 10/10/2005, 01:40 PM
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one is hard and one is soft...

one soft wood is pine. you can gouge it with your fingernail. there is lots of other soft woods. They dent rather easily.

Hard wood is like oak, ash, poplar...they are very hard and dense. IMO look better when stained then compared to soft woods.

hth
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Old 10/10/2005, 01:50 PM
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Ok, thank you for the info!
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Old 10/11/2005, 01:45 PM
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Hi,

I'm not sure what to use as lighting: 3 x 150W or 2 x 250W??? The tank is only 12" tall but my goal is to increase coral growth. I'm going to use actinics also.

As for color temperature (Kelvin) what do you recommend me?

Thank you,
Ricardo
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Old 10/11/2005, 04:39 PM
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I used both wattages.....but I like the 250's best.

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Old 10/20/2005, 07:54 PM
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I'm going to use 3 x 150W (electricity is expensive here in Portugal). This prop tank is mainly for soft corals.

Now let's go for photos:

New 110gal prop tank!!!







New 42gal sump





Ricardo
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Old 10/21/2005, 12:22 PM
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Tank looks great. What was your cost on the glass?
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Old 10/21/2005, 02:50 PM
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Thats a nice stand, looks like someone knows their woodwork.
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Old 10/23/2005, 05:34 PM
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glass looks really nice man!
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Old 10/23/2005, 05:52 PM
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Looking awsome, can't wait to see it up and running.

Will there be any "teeth" on the overflow, or will it just be smooth?
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Old 10/24/2005, 03:22 AM
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Thanks. I'm working on the "teeth's overflow". The tank and sump are already in place. I'm going to wait a few more days before checking for any leaks.

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Old 10/24/2005, 05:14 PM
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look'n very nice!
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Old 10/25/2005, 10:23 AM
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Keep the overflow smooth if possible. It makes for better surface-skimming.
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Old 10/25/2005, 06:08 PM
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Hi,

I'm going to put a few fishes in this tank so it's better to use some teeth in the overflow. I really like clownfishes (a lot) and i'm lacking one of my favorite's species from Red Sea: Amphiprion bicinctus. Also I need more space for my Bangaii juveniles to grow out.

Some more "dry" photos:











Tomorrow I'm going to check for leaks and put the electrical oulets.

Ricardo
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Old 10/25/2005, 07:37 PM
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beautiful!!! man from the photos you are one thirsty guy! LOL
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