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Carbon trading seems to be more about economics and making vast amounts of money than saving the planet... http://www.businessweek.com/magazine...3/b4027057.htm http://green.itweek.co.uk/2007/02/emission_tradin.html http://www.riehlworldview.com/carniv...es_inconv.html Once you've had a sift through that then you can tell me if you still think it's a great system in it's present format. Gore would be considered a conman in any other walk of life but because he parades himself as a climate warrior he's held up on a pedestal of greatness. |
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I was quite shocked when I ran the cnet hybrid cars buying guide calculator and discovered how much carbon [something like 5 lbs] my Subaru Forester is injecting into the air annually, above what a hybrid would. I also took the 'carbon footprint' test and discovered that despite driving over 4000 miles a year and running a lot of tech equipment, I have a very minimal carbon footprint---the 'average' was over a hundred pounds a year, which if you multiply by all of us, is a whole lot.
This isn't the only episode human civilization has had with climate change and pollution. The natural drying since the last ice age has widened the Sahara: in Roman times it was possible to walk in the shade from Gibraltar to the Nile Delta: now of course it's desert. So the planet has lost that broad greenbelt that kept the Med's air cleaner---while much of Europe's north was forested; that was cut down by charcoalers in the middle ages, etc, and put into the atmosphere. Or hewn off the Scottish isles by shipwrights; the massive timbers of Scandanavia are only seen now in historic houses: they're gone. So Europe was pretty well deforested over a 500 year span, and a lot of that was burned even before we began excavating the Carboniferous Era forests [coal seams, oil shales] to start burning those---we'd run out of the green-growing sort. So the next 500 years were pretty dirty, and the footprint of a Londoner in the 1880's was pretty sooty. We've gotten better in that regard: as late as the 1960's, London air would blacken your nostrils and your handkerchiefs, and it hurt the lungs on some days. I was there, and remember having to be careful touching anything white if I hadn't washed my hands. Now they're replanting the lost forests of the Hebrides and trying to reforest some areas in Europe, but in the meanwhile, worldwide demand for materials and increased population in formerly sparsely inhabited areas has entrepreneurs deforesting the Pacific isles and the much larger Amazon at an even faster rate, so it's still a net loss. It's not just the loss of species: [Lord knows what species, beside the last European aurochs, we annihilated in the European forests]---it's the loss of green-space that does the O/C02 cycle, and helps take the carbon out into more biomass. Pound for pound, we're doing way better in some areas, and thankfully we're cleaning up some of the real Cold War era messes like some of the mining towns in Poland---but the net trend is still toward bigger and bigger emissions [burning not only this century's forests, but the forests of millions of years of pre-human times, all at once] and toward less and less greenbelt, be it part of the post Iceage drying or the action of man. It's a bad intersection of our habits with the natural cycle of ice ages and dry-outs. We're collectively not quite as bad as the dino-killing meteor strike---hard to compete with a global firestorm--- but we could do better.
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I would agree with you there, far from man made CO2 being the primary problem i would argue that mans short sightedness in cutting down vast regions of forest and removing the planets natural ability to process the CO2 in the atmosphere as a bigger issue.
We have people left right and center complaining about man made CO2 driven climate change and yet we are still cutting down masses of rain forest thats only going to increase the problem and then you have idiots with their carbon offsets that plant 'a tree or two' to justify their 2000mile private jet trip. From my understanding all timber sourced from Europe has to come from sustainable tree farms now and i believe that tree coverage is increasing year on year, in Britain our forests have grown from 5% to 12% and is still rising. |
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That guy! The one who worked on George W. Bush's 2004 reelection campaign. The one whose resume claims that he graduated from Texas A&M in 2003 with a degree in journalism. Why should a 24-yr-old kid with a degree in journalism get to decide what is acceptable speech by one of NASA's leading scientists? Is he an astronomer? Is he a chemist? Is he a physicist? No, he's just a "journalist." Oops! Turns out he's not even that. A blogger discovered that he didn't graduate from Texas A&M after all. In fact, he has no degree in journalism or anything else for that matter. Well, maybe he has a degree in cronyism? Don't you have to pass a background investigation to go to work for NASA? Wouldn't they check your resume as part of that investigation? I guess not. Maybe they don't do background investigations on political appointees? Or maybe they're just not very good at running background investigations? Maybe they should just ask the liberal bloggers to help them check out prospective Bush appointees in the future. The guy who uncovered this little deception happens to be a biochemist who graduated from Texas A&M recently. Nothing like checking with your old alma mater to find out the status of an alumnus. P.S. -- I forgot to mention that the 24-yr-old Bush appointee "resigned" from NASA the same day his lie about graduating from Texas A&M was exposed by that blogger.
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Dr. Hansen's original comments from February 2006:
I forgot to post the original comments that Dr. Hansen made a year ago about the Bush Administration's censorship tactics:
From the SF Chronicle, Feb. 11, 2006: New York -- James Hansen, the NASA climate scientist who sparked an uproar last month by accusing the Bush administration of keeping scientific information from reaching the public, said Friday that officials at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration are also muzzling researchers who study global warming. Hansen, speaking on a panel about science and the environment to a packed audience at the New School university, said that while he hopes his own agency will soon adopt a more open policy, NOAA insists on having "a minder" monitor its scientists when they discuss findings with journalists. "It seems more like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union than the United States," said Hansen, prompting a round of applause. He added that while NOAA officials said they maintain the policy for their scientists' "protection, if you buy that one please see me at the break, because there's a bridge down the street I'd like to sell you."
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Thought i would post up a link of a bibliography by Dr Madhav Khandekar of peer-reviewed climate science papers, critical of the IPCC's politicised version of the science.
http://friendsofscience.org/document...Feb%206-07.pdf |
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hahaha you're not the sharpest nail in the box are you.... Are you not aware of electricty generated from wind power? By the way all my electricty comes from Wind farms its a deal set up with my electricty supplier N Power. A whole lot more needs to be done to get more wind farms,tidal etc etc. In fact a revolution in energy production needs to happen. Thats what us tree huggers and people with half a brain or more want. |
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Come on folks, the personal barbs need to stay out of these discussions.
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I'll make a deal with you. If you feel there is something in there that is particularly compelling, let us know, and I'll discuss it using my blissful ignorance.
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