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Old 11/28/2006, 03:10 PM
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Ok thanks buddy...
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Old 11/28/2006, 03:15 PM
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again alot of us who are dosing potassium do it because we have low levels to begin with AND run zeovit... i dont know about the rest of you but i believe that zeo either leaches potassium from the water or encourages corals to use it to "color up" maybe its a little of both. Because of our(zeovit users) low levels we have to add small doses daily to maintain our level at 400.
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Old 11/28/2006, 03:20 PM
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again alot of us who are dosing potassium do it because we have low levels to begin with AND run zeovit... i dont know about the rest of you but i believe that zeo either leaches potassium from the water or encourages corals to use it to "color up" maybe its a little of both. Because of our(zeovit users) low levels we have to add small doses daily to maintain our level at 400.
zeolith does not leach postassium to the water or encourages coral to use.

to me, zeolith absorbed most of everything in the water for coral to starve and then you dose food, and other supplements back to the water for them to color up or survive.
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Old 11/28/2006, 03:35 PM
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i also use Zeo, so i was just wondering if anyone came up with a stock solution to maintain 400 level or any way to rule out how much is used in zeo tanks...

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Old 11/28/2006, 03:45 PM
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Boomer posted a paper listing what is preferentially absorbed by the zeolite clinoptilite and potassium was high on the list.
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Old 11/28/2006, 03:57 PM
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Boomer posted a paper listing what is preferentially absorbed by the zeolite clinoptilite and potassium was high on the list.

link please, I'd to know.
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Old 11/28/2006, 04:00 PM
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Someone with search capabilities will have to find it, it's in this forum and Habib confirmed IIRC.
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Old 11/28/2006, 04:31 PM
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link please, I'd to know.


http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...19#post8414319
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Old 11/28/2006, 04:49 PM
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Here is more about clinoptilolite

http://reefcentral.com/forums/search...der=descending
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I forgot but do you guys know that GFO's suck up K+ like a sponge ?
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Old 11/28/2006, 05:21 PM
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I forgot but do you guys know that GFO's suck up K+ like a sponge ?
For real?

If that's true then its a way bigger issue than just zeolith users.


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Old 11/28/2006, 06:04 PM
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FWIW, NSW has about 400 ppm, so if you are bothering to monitor and dose, I'd target 400 ppm.
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Old 11/28/2006, 06:46 PM
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I forgot but do you guys know that GFO's suck up K+ like a sponge ?

From seawater? Sounds unlikely to me.
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Old 11/28/2006, 09:51 PM
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aware of this current K debate, i noticed a bottle of club soda has these ingredients: carbonated water, potassium chloride, potassium bicarbonate, potassium citrate

would the citrate be bad?

i know the k cl and k bicarbonate have been listed as possible supplements, so i figured i would throw this out there.
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link please, I'd to know.


http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...19#post8414319

Thanks a lot, Randy.
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Old 11/28/2006, 11:27 PM
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aware of this current K debate, i noticed a bottle of club soda has these ingredients: carbonated water, potassium chloride, potassium bicarbonate, potassium citrate

would the citrate be bad?

i know the k cl and k bicarbonate have been listed as possible supplements, so i figured i would throw this out there.
why would you add all that when for less than $3 you can get pure potassium chloide?
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Old 11/29/2006, 01:13 AM
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What a different between Zeovit and Zeolite? I'm confused.
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Old 11/29/2006, 07:35 AM
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Club soda is not a good way to go. The CO2 will drive down the pH too much to allow much potassium addition.
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Old 11/29/2006, 11:12 AM
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What a different between Zeovit and Zeolite? I'm confused.
lol there really is no such thing as zeolite... but people use that term when they refer to the basic 4 as opposed to running the full gammit of zeovit products...
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Old 11/29/2006, 02:24 PM
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From seawater? Sounds unlikely to me.

No, I was in error I had to go find that thing/report. I read it months ago It was a water assay, post GFO application/treatment and not a GFO adsorption assay, like I was thinkin'. The assay's seem to indicate the water samples were not salt water at all but that is niether here nor there
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Old 11/29/2006, 02:43 PM
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What a different between Zeovit and Zeolite? I'm confused.

lol there really is no such thing as zeolite.

A zeolite is a hydrated alumino-silicate mineral group. This mineral group is referred to as the Zeolite Group. There are about 50 natural zeolites and about 200 man-made zeolites.

Zeovit is the name of a system, a trade mark like Instant Oceans. This system uses zeolites in it and is what they made their name from. Clinoptilolite, a natural zeolite, is one of the zeolites used in the system.

Old fashion kitty-litter, floor dry and water softeners where all natural zeolites and were Clinoptilolite. Clinoptilolite and other zeolties are some of the most heavily mined minerals in the world. The FW ammonia removers, Nitrate Sponges are all zeolties and all most all are the zeolite Clinoptilolite.
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Old 11/29/2006, 02:43 PM
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[ilol there really is no such thing as zeolite...
No zeolite ? There are about 50 different types of naturally occuring zeolite. There are also many more synthesized types.
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Old 11/29/2006, 02:53 PM
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Club soda is not a good way to go. The CO2 will drive down the pH too much to allow much potassium addition.
I was actually adding it to bring down ph when I noticed the potassium; personally I have no concern for potassium levels and don't test for them, especially with my feeding regimen..
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