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I'm sure you guys mistyped "Bobby", so I corrected it
Wssssssssu, yes Randy it was suppose to be Bobby and not whatever. Based on Jer's post I can imagine what I did type I don't want to get in trouble again,once was enough
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Boomer,
You was just thinking of something and typed that. You can't be blamed for that after you having reading some of the patents.
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Good thinkin' So that means I can blame you and Randy, even 'er
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Boomy
So that means I can blame you and Randy, You may blame me. No problem.
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Hi all,
If Bob doesn't think too highly of Ron, perhaps he has some of my respect back . Adam
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FWIW, I have noted higher growth rates in my corals if I play Tool CD's at high volume. Growth rates decrease with Brittney Spears and 'N Sync. Rapid death occurs when you play John Tesh, Barry Manilow, Celine Dion, Barbar Streisand or any contemporary country. Barry White, Tom Jones and Red Hot Chili Peppers all caused mass spawning events. Anything played on the Delilah radio show causes nausea and vomiting in human subjects. Adam
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Finally, significant data!
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I mean, Delilah really falls for that crap... She'd croon in about how sweet that was and ask me for the song... And I'd reply... "Bullet in the Head by Rage against the Machine" Then I'd say... "Thanks, Slutbucket!", my pet-name for Delilah, which my wife absolutely abhores. Imagine speaking at IMAC in the same time slot as the Eco-Aqualizer guys. I did. Had a good dozen people come up to me afterwards who said they wished they had come to my presentation instead. Never did get to talk to Sam... Regards. Mike Kirda |
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Hi Mikey'
Where have you been hiddin' ? Adam FWIW, I have noted higher growth rates in my corals if I play Tool CD's at high volume. Growth rates decrease with Brittney Spears and 'N Sync. Rapid death occurs when you play John Tesh, Barry Manilow, Celine Dion, Barbar Streisand or any contemporary country. Barry White, Tom Jones and Red Hot Chili Peppers all caused mass spawning events. Anything played on the Delilah radio show causes nausea and vomiting in human subjects.
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Mike,
Great minds..... I have had nearly the same fantasy. Getting on the air would be a snap as long as you can act stupid enough. Mine went more along the lines of requesting things that weren't obviously a set-up, but that I knew she would never have heard of. Then I would yell and scream for not having "our song" and ruining the whole thing. And BTW, you jumped right to the top of my wifes list by supplying me with "**** bucket"! Adam
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I'm guessing the way this product works is there is a radioactive dust or waste inside of the tube thats surrounded by lead to keep the radioactiveness from getting out of the tube and as the water passes through its erradicated I gues syou could say, don't knock it until you try it...I had a free version sent to me to try and it works wonders...
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Q&A on ER
Hey guys,
came across this Q&A on Extremereef.com. The questions were posted by ER members to Carl Denzer of Eco Aqualizer. I'm a chemistry tard but I thought you guys should see this. Q: Photons are electromagnetic radiation. This radiation is known as light, in this case far infrared light. To have light you need energy. If you need no electricity for the ECO-Aqualizer, where does the energy come from to build the photons? The same question in other words, if ECO-Aqualizer puts energy into the water (breaking down some Hydrogen bondings) what is the source for that energy? A: Recent studies on biotechnology revealed that the far-infrared rays having wavelength ranging from 6 microns to 14 microns played an important role for formation and growing of living things. For this reason, this specific far-infrared rays are called "biogenetic rays". All living things on the earth have, as integral parts of them, water and proteins. Water molecules are always oscillating. If water molecules are expose to oscillating action of 8-10 micron wavelength (some as wavelength of water molecular oscillation), the "resonance" occurs between the two oscillations. The resonance causes ionization of water into hydrogen ion and hydroxide ion at extremely high speed (10/12 sec.). This ionization is called "activation of water". If such activation of water occurs cellular tissues, the metabolism of cells and excretion of residues from cells or nutrition are enhanced .. promoted growing of living things. The infrared rays from the sun are peak at 3.5 to 10 microns of wavelength. Therefore it can be easily understood that the infrared rays 0f 6 to 14 microns are particularly important for a living things. Our 'Far infrared" is not an actual light source that needs energy to operate it. It is in itself a type of electromagnetic radiation and throws off its own energy as explained above. This biotechnology was originally developed by NASA and further refined by the medical industry. It is a bioceramic reflective material which has properties of electromagnetic radiation yielding the far infrared wavelength. Q: Why do fishes become lethargic when ECO-Aqualizer is overdosed? A: First, this customer that posted that info was not using proper guidelines. He as using a unit twice as large as his tank. I don't like to use the term overdosed, but his observations may have been a temporary adjustment. There is some scientific evidence and corresponding opinion that the observation is resultant to maximized resonant energy of living animals. If the organism has been conditioned to a level of energy and the environment changes, it takes adjustment. The organisms must adapt to changes in ion strength as per conditions like osmotic pressure. Research has revealed the evidence that all structural changes of water dispersed systems treated by magnetic field have to do with the ions of substances present in the water, colloidal particles of considerable magnetic susceptibility and water changes. One can get the smattering of magnetic field effects on water dispersed systems to a certain extent, if proceed from the theory that links structural changes of water dispersed systems to ion formation. According to this theory, the magnetic field affects the ions making their way through it and brings about the Lorentz forces, which can be calculated by way of the following equation: F = K · q · v · H · sin a (1) given that, K - coefficient of proportionality; q - ion charge; v - ion velocity; H - magnetic field strength; a - angle of magnetic field direction with the ion flow. The equation (1) shows that the Lorentz forces intensify with the growth of ion charge, magnetic field strength, flow velocity and perpendicularity of ions crossing magnetic field lines. The Lorentz forces act on positively and negatively charged ions (cations and anions) and make them diverge in opposite directions. We ask that everyone use the proper unit to avoid sudden fluxes, please refer to website for indication of proper unit. Bigger is not Better and unnecessary expense. Q: Magnets are used in water conduits for restructuring calcium carbonate ions, decreasing tartar (is this the right word for that white coating building up in kettles? ). Will these ions also be restructured in our aquarium water and what effect will this have? A: Yes. However keep in mind the nature of the solution (marine water) and the importance to view such as a solvent to solute relationship. The aquarium is a matrix of ions and molecules searching for equilibrium or satisfied ground state. Water structure changes set off by addition of dissolved substances (impurities) can be of different degree and are dependent upon the value and nature of charge distribution in ions (particles), their sizes, configuration and other reasons. Impurities enter the voids of the water hexagonal cage with stabilizing or destroying effects subject to the size of additives. That is why both the structure and properties of water dispersed systems hinge upon the nature of dispersed phase, concentration, temperature, etc. When magnetic field is applied from outside, water dispersed systems have precession of individual shells of the particles present in the water. It also initiates polarization of electron clouds in water molecules. However, unlike pure water with nearly same precession in identical atoms because of equality of all molecules, identical atoms do not precede at the same interval in solutions. This is caused by diversified polarization of molecules by ion electric fields. There is also a different shift of electric shells of water molecules that envelop the ions. Q: The website states that "..as toxins are added to your tank, water molecules become tightly bonded to each other" Water molecules are always bonded to each other. Hydrogen bonds create matrices within a water column are the reason why water does the fantastic things that it does (ice floating, capillary action, universal solvent, etc, etc) These hydrogen bonds are fleeting and are even more shortly lived that the ionic bonding experience between Sodium and chloride ions. To eliminate or even significantly effect hydrogen bonding....? I can see how a properly aligned magnetic field could affect polarization off of a polar solvent, but in a 3 dimensional matrix I don't see how hydrogen bonding could not come into play. A: The hydrogen bond is in this case the secondary player when viewed in this perspective. Let's go back to the original topic. In simplest terms we have two subjects of interest as solvent and solute. Solvent is aquarium water and solutes have been all, which is contained in the solvent. Taking a real close look at sea salts and all the biological properties of a living system this would be a far reaching array of ions and molecules. This leads to the concept of the micelle or structured interaction of the solutes. Energy relationships and interrelationships have been illustrated as of great importance, particularly when viewed from photon and the resonance association to energy. To change and realign the web of water molecules is naturally rearranging many H-H attracting relationships. The water molecules themselves are constantly changing, reacting, and moving to electron charge field and subsequent natural Electromagnetic field. Adding external magnetic field assuredly alters the mechanisms. Q: The website goes on to mention overall decreases in phosphorus, chlorides, sulfates and others, however the page does not mention how this mass transfer takes place. Where do the chloride and sulfate go? Salt creep? A: The magnetic device does not remove or add particles (mass). If there is exchange of sorts it is exchange with the hydrosphere to atmosphere of products like N2 and radical oxygen. Decrease of ion elements like phosphorous, chlorides, sulfates, and others is a change in state. Theoretically what we see is a change to availability of the living system we've created called the aquarium. It is important to note that all of the elements mentioned have biological uses. If in acceptable form they are placed back into the living energy cycle. Our original lab work was conducted by an outside source, several years ago. Our testing and test probes we use are designed to measure ionic states dependent on the limitations of their design. We do not measure all the states ions and molecules have. Of the above mentioned elements what is the preferred by living cells so as to exchange substances across membranes by osmotic differential? What changes must the cell perform to meet such requirements? Is it more difficult to achieve osmotic exchange when water micelle is more complex? Again let's go back to water as a solvent and remembering that oxygen has a negative charge due to its unsharing pair of electrons, and hydrogens have a positive charge. Water is also a solvent for electrolytes like the afore mentioned list. The electrolytes / metabolites will orient themselves to the magnetic field, thereby moving the water molecule into an ordered form according to the electrolyte micelle. The structure and function of the natural micelle has been realigned. The alignment will help photon and osmotic mechanisms if for no other reason than enthalpy. In lose terms it can be thought of as bioavailability. Also, because of the new realignment, and transfer of energy (electrons), we have in effect ionization. Which is simply the transfer of electron ions. Hope these all helps answer your questions adequately. As always a pleasure......... Carl Denzer |
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If you look at this board or on several other boards then most people who did post anything positive about the eco-aqualizer have become member of that board quite recently.
In some cases it is even the first post ever made. Since hobby experience has nothing to do with date of becoming a member, I don't think that experience has anything to do with using the eco-aqualizer. There must be a different explanation for what I think is strange/funny.
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Jared:
I'm guessing the way this product works is there is a radioactive dust or waste inside of the tube thats surrounded by lead to keep the radioactiveness from getting out of the tube and as the water passes through its erradicated I gues syou could say, don't knock it until you try it...I had a free version sent to me to try and it works wonders... I hope that is meant to be a joke. It definately does not work that way, based on everything that the manufacutrer claims and the associated references they've given. If it did in fact work that way, I'd never let it in my house, much less use it, and they certainly could not sell it to the public.
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Splendid Warrior:
Thanks for posting that. I'd seen it before, but others here may not have. It sure clears everything up, doesn't it. Habib: There must be a different explanation for what I think is strange/funny. I hope the logical explanation isn't the true one.
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You guys are too funny. I'm not the scientist of the family. (That would be Mr Quality.) I'll show him the article and see what he says, but I think you guys have sufficiently knocked it about. Has anyone seen the July 2003 statement?
PS I once read of a person placing a twinky on top of the aquarium and swearing by the benifits. j/k
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Please be careful what you say here. In the EA thread I've been involved in the Almighty himself is defending the product.
http://archive.reefcentral.com/forum...96#post1435996 But in church today, the deity did not reveal unto me whether it would remove chloramines.
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From the July 2003 article:
. I spoke to ECO-Aqualizer’s scientific advisor, Sam Gamble, and was told that the magnetic effect that ECO has on water molecules allows light photons to pass through the water easier. It sounded weird to me but my LUX meter did not lie. Thanks for both of those links, guys.
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How could I have missed this thread?
My brother clued me in…pretty cute stuff. All this stuff w/ magnetic fields and aligning the water molecules, isn’t that something like a microwave oven? I guess alchemy is still thriving in the 21st century. My only question, where does the gold come out? Mike BTW Randy, I'm in Beantown as I write this reply. Leaving Saturday.
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BTW I've got some trace element rich water with special coral and macro growing properties from special well that I can sell for $29.99 per gallon. Has higher concentrations of trace elements than highly regarded supplements from the big manufactures
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Ahhh. The Famous Fire Island Water.
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Well maybe I should run some plumbing from the 180 gallon at work to the 1.5 Tesla MRI scanner. Heck, I could turn on the scanner and bomb the water with RF pulses and time varying gradient fields too. I could then market NMR scanners for the aquarium industry and get rich. I shall call it the Aqua-Alchemizer.
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