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Old 12/14/2007, 01:42 PM
Randy Holmes-Farley Randy Holmes-Farley is offline
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The optimal calcium level is largely unrelated to the alkalinity. I'd target 2.5-4 meq/L (7-11 dKH), almost regardless of what calcium level is targeted.

The only time they are related is if you are trying to raise or lower them together, such as by adding equal parts of a two part, or allowing corals to drop both by using them up.
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Old 12/15/2007, 11:48 AM
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Just checked mine

SG 1.0255 (under shot it a bit) IO swing arm
PH 7.9 (only mixed for 10hrs) API
Alk 12.5 API
Ca 360 API

Seems like a good thread to make sure your numbers are ON...If you use RC.

I have no complaints....at least it is consistent.
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Old 12/15/2007, 12:11 PM
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It seems that now RC = IO
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Old 12/15/2007, 12:42 PM
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Like jdieck said....it smells different. It has something different in it and it mixes up less clean.

It has a rich smell like minerals or something. But yes it seems to have the same parameters.
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Old 12/15/2007, 12:56 PM
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But yes it seems to have the same parameters.
Now it does, it used to have higher ca and mg.
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Old 12/15/2007, 02:17 PM
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i just got a new bucket of rc to try in addition to io. i'll test the rc at some point in the next few days. i'll mix up ~40 gallons, so a larger sample to draw from
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Old 12/15/2007, 02:34 PM
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Just checked mine

SG 1.0255 (under shot it a bit) IO swing arm
PH 7.9 (only mixed for 10hrs) API
Alk 12.5 API
Ca 360 API

Seems like a good thread to make sure your numbers are ON...If you use RC.

I have no complaints....at least it is consistent.
I will bet your swing arm is off. You are likely mixing at a lower s.g. than you think, causing the low calcium reading.

I tested a new batch of RC just the other day and at 1.0264 (35 ppt) it registered 420ppm calcium. As it always does.

Those of you seeing other readings are either mixing wrong or have faulty test kits IMO.
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Old 12/15/2007, 03:30 PM
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Billy, I think I can speak for all of us when I say that either your calcium kit is bad or you're refractometer is off by about 25 %.
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Old 12/15/2007, 04:55 PM
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I will bet your swing arm is off. You are likely mixing at a lower s.g. than you think, causing the low calcium reading.

I tested a new batch of RC just the other day and at 1.0264 (35 ppt) it registered 420ppm calcium. As it always does.

Those of you seeing other readings are either mixing wrong or have faulty test kits IMO.
You know my refrato is calibrated right (I rechecked it). I used to get 420 @ 1.026. Not with the bucket I have now.
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Old 12/15/2007, 04:57 PM
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Is anybody else starting to think that Michael Del Prete is right now ?
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Old 12/15/2007, 05:43 PM
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I will bet your swing arm is off.
How much are we betting?

I checked it with gram scales and table salt not long ago and it was dead accurate.

Three level cups of RC in a 5 gallon bucket mixes to about 1.028
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Old 12/16/2007, 01:34 AM
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Billy, I think I can speak for all of us when I say that either your calcium kit is bad or you're refractometer is off by about 25 %.
Nope. Calcium checked with two different brand kits both matched. And refract is calibrated with 53 mS pinpoint solution verified by my lab grade floating hydrometer. They are both dead on.

acrylic, Tell you what I'll do. I have 16 gallons of ro/di ready. I have a bucket measured precisely at 5 gallons. I will fill the bucket, heat to 79 deg, and add exactly 3 cups of RC. I will aerate overnight and take a reading in the morning and post my results. I will take the reading with my refract and my lab grade floating hydrometer.

Mike, the answer to your last question is NO.
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Old 12/16/2007, 11:20 AM
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My previous bucket of RC and the one Im on now mix to 1..026 with calcium around 420. Try pouring half in another empty bucket, shaking it, then mixing back together and shaking. I've been told by people in real life as well as on here that since it's dry, stuff is going to settle and will cause you to have different reading on different mixes from the same bucket.
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Old 12/16/2007, 02:44 PM
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The results are in.

According to my testing, 3 cups of RC in 5 gallons of water sat overnight and aerated.

S.G refract 1.026
S.G. lab grade floating hydo 1.026

Calcium Saifert 425ppm
Calcium API 420ppm
Calcium LaMotte 430ppm

Hope this helps all.
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Old 12/16/2007, 04:16 PM
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Is anybody else starting to think that Michael Del Prete is right now ?

About what?
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Old 12/16/2007, 04:25 PM
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The overall decline in salts. How prices stay the same or less in the face of inflation across the board.
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Old 12/16/2007, 04:32 PM
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Will a SG difference of .002 throw calcium off 60 ppm?

It still seems odd that some people are getting right around 360 and others right around 420.

If my swing arm is a little off and API measures a little low then I suppose it could be 420.
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Old 12/16/2007, 05:19 PM
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@ 1.026 my RC's CA measures 420 (API)

ive tested every mix ive made over the last year. all the same.
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Old 12/16/2007, 08:17 PM
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The overall decline in salts. How prices stay the same or less in the face of inflation across the board.
Wonder how many salt mixes are made in China...
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Old 12/16/2007, 09:11 PM
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Will a SG difference of .002 throw calcium off 60 ppm?

It still seems odd that some people are getting right around 360 and others right around 420.

If my swing arm is a little off and API measures a little low then I suppose it could be 420.
It's a simple equation.

Drop the 1.

026 divided by 420 is 16.15.

So .002 of will make a difference of about 32 ppm or so.

60 is a bit of a stretch but there is a little test noise in all hobby grade test kits.
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Old 12/16/2007, 09:26 PM
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I just tested, all Salifert tests

420 ca, 11.4 alk

Salinity 1.026 checked w/freshly calibrated pinpoint salinity meter.
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Old 12/16/2007, 09:34 PM
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Looks about right Doc.
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Old 12/16/2007, 09:37 PM
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my RC also tests quite low and I'm very dissapointed. I usually use TM Pro but I got RC in a pinch about a week ago and tested it.

SG- 1.026
CA- 360
ALK- 13 DKH
Mag- 1150

all tests were done with Salifert and I always heard that this was pretty good salt but now I'm not sure.
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Old 12/16/2007, 11:26 PM
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The results are in.

According to my testing, 3 cups of RC in 5 gallons of water sat overnight and aerated.

S.G refract 1.026
S.G. lab grade floating hydo 1.026

Calcium Saifert 425ppm
Calcium API 420ppm
Calcium LaMotte 430ppm

Hope this helps all.
Yes! it really helps a lot to know that your bucket is OK
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Old 12/16/2007, 11:56 PM
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It seems like buckets vary. It would help if you posted when/where you got the salt. Is there any sort of date/batch code on the bucket?
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