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Old 11/30/2006, 12:01 AM
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Boomer,

Thank you for your information.
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Old 11/30/2006, 01:53 AM
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What a different between Zeovit and Zeolite? I'm confused.

lol there really is no such thing as zeolite.



Old fashion kitty-litter, floor dry and water softeners where all natural zeolites and were Clinoptilolite. Clinoptilolite and other zeolties are some of the most heavily mined minerals in the world. The FW ammonia removers, Nitrate Sponges are all zeolties and all most all are the zeolite Clinoptilolite.

So basically, Zeovit is another way to spend the money and can get a great results same as other methods.
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Old 11/30/2006, 09:14 AM
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I think so, waste time and money.
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Old 11/30/2006, 09:30 AM
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Think thats a bit harsh, it has it's uses especial in mature tanks. It does from my experience remove most things but it only appears to consume mg, potassium etc to a limit, i.e. its removal abilities become depleted until you add or replace it but it does continue to remove nirate.
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Old 11/30/2006, 10:19 AM
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Yes Hornet that is correct. It is just another type of system but requires more attention and a little more money if you are looking for those kinds of results. It is a very nutrient deficient system that produces extraordinary colors in corals.

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Old 11/30/2006, 10:37 AM
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I think so, waste time and money.
unless you run zeo thats pretty harsh to say... imo the colors are worth the price.. and its not that expensice since you only dose drops...
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Old 11/30/2006, 10:39 AM
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So basically, Zeovit is another way to spend the money and can get a great results same as other methods.
what other proven method is there? i tried prodibio that did nothing to my tank a friend of mine tried reef-fresh that did nothing.. the only other system that i have seen that may work is AO's Ultratith but that is almost the exact same thing as Zeo...
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Old 11/30/2006, 10:53 AM
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http://www.faunamarin.de/eng/?submenu=1000

this one works for me
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Old 11/30/2006, 10:55 AM
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what other proven method is there? i tried prodibio that did nothing to my tank a friend of mine tried reef-fresh that did nothing.. the only other system that i have seen that may work is AO's Ultratith but that is almost the exact same thing as Zeo...
go natural!

but the AO doesn't require that much work or at least Zeolith's products have their labels om them so we know what we are dumping into our tank. Another thing that if we contact with those chemical, how should we clean up.

OK, go back to to potassium issue, I was told to dose around 10ml/day, but I dosed tripple dosage but hardly see the K+ went up. Then we asked can we used KCL, they said not safe. what the heck, we don't know what in that K-B bottle. They don't even explain why the K+ is so defiency in Zeo tank. I still run the zeo until or the snake oil runs out then I switch over to natural method. But heck, I learn some thing at least.
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Old 11/30/2006, 10:56 AM
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what other proven method is there?
LOTS of other methods ... people had great tanks a couple years ago before any of these products ... and still do.

Take a look at TOTM's over time. Amazing tanks, very few use zeolite or other additive-heavy systems.

Steve Weast, Cward, KevinPo, JB NY [many more out there] ... all phenomenal Acro-dominated tanks, none seem to rely on this methodology. [one of the above http://www.cnidarianreef.com/]

What more proof would be needed?
Maybe I'm colorblind, but I don't see that huge a difference between the results these guys get vs. folks using zeolite/probiotic systems.

From my view, there are many other proven methods. Problem is, it's hard to sell devotion to water quality, good flow, strong export, significant import/feeding, and patience.
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Old 11/30/2006, 11:03 AM
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Unless I missed something, the only PROVEN method is good husbandry which many of these "methods" incorporate into thier regieme and act as if it's a major breakthough.

"You're saying I actually have to maintain ca/alk/mag and do water changes! No way!!!"
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Old 11/30/2006, 11:25 AM
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Unless I missed something, the only PROVEN method is good husbandry which many of these "methods" incorporate into thier regieme and act as if it's a major breakthough.

"You're saying I actually have to maintain ca/alk/mag and do water changes! No way!!!"

my point is if you can keep your tank is close to NSW, your corals will look good.
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Old 11/30/2006, 02:26 PM
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thats the other one that i was talking about....
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Old 11/30/2006, 02:31 PM
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go natural!

naaa then i wont have to spend hours a week testing and dosing my tank.. what will i do with all that extra spare time
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Old 11/30/2006, 02:41 PM
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LOTS of other methods ... people had great tanks a couple years ago before any of these products ... and still do.

Take a look at TOTM's over time. Amazing tanks, very few use zeolite or other additive-heavy systems.

Steve Weast, Cward, KevinPo, JB NY [many more out there] ... all phenomenal Acro-dominated tanks, none seem to rely on this methodology. [one of the above http://www.cnidarianreef.com/]

What more proof would be needed?
Maybe I'm colorblind, but I don't see that huge a difference between the results these guys get vs. folks using zeolite/probiotic systems.

From my view, there are many other proven methods. Problem is, it's hard to sell devotion to water quality, good flow, strong export, significant import/feeding, and patience.
that is very true, i have seen some beautiful tanks here on RC.. The thing is that Zeo actually allows you to "tweek" your colors... when i was talking to Cris at Reefermadness even he was astounded at the colors of some Zeo tanks.. Iwan, Agedsalt, for example... Chris see's thousands of corals a week so if he is can be totally impressed by a zeovit tanks then i say there must be something to this stuff...

at least thats what i tell myself to justify the expense..lol
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Old 11/30/2006, 04:41 PM
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Chris see's thousands of corals a week so if he is can be totally impressed by a zeovit tanks then i say there must be something to this stuff...

Doesn't that make it seem unnatural, if they are so much more colorful than corals from the ocean?
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Old 11/30/2006, 05:50 PM
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unnatural maybe..... beautiful Definitely....
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Old 11/30/2006, 11:14 PM
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Hey Bebo77,

How long are you in Zeovit? We would like to see your nice color under zeovit, please post some pictures.
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Old 12/01/2006, 01:17 AM
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i have been on Zeo for 5 months now...( tank is 11 months old)

all the corals in my tank are frags.. but ill see if i can get some nice pic manana...
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Old 12/01/2006, 07:52 AM
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Well I'm non-zeo and I ordered up a potassium test kit just to throw away my money, err I mean to to check and see what my levels are!

I hope they're low so I can justify the test expense! If they are, in goes the KCl which I already purchased just in case. If not it makes a good salt substitute.
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Old 12/01/2006, 12:55 PM
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To much coffee Randy so I could not resist this

Doesn't that make it seem unnatural, if they are so much more colorful than corals from the ocean?

Yes, but a Poodle is a dog and to me they are unnatural looking dogs So why have one.................not me
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Old 12/01/2006, 01:41 PM
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I'd go with Randy's DIY two part. It raises potassium level's.
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Old 12/01/2006, 10:05 PM
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Are you sure?
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Old 12/01/2006, 10:19 PM
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I'd go with Randy's DIY two part. It raises potassium level's.
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Old 12/01/2006, 11:07 PM
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Randy's DIY two-part does not use potassium bicarbonate or potassium chloride
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