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my bare bottom.....
I'm starting this thread to fully convince myself that bare bottom is what I want -
I will be using my 210 g (24x29x72) with three 400w 20k radiums, after fifteen plus years of deep sand beds, LPS and softies I'm ready for the next step..............I want some acropora If you have a bare bottom tank, please post a picture so I can see what's in store for me - feel free to post any useful wisdom on the BB also.............I'd appreciate it, Thanx. T |
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Holy smokes tankslave! That thread is the cat's meow! Thanx's. T
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No prob! There's some other thread called "barebottom tank pics" or something, but I cant seem to find it. That one had some really nice pics.
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What did you go with? the epoxy and sand? I've got some ideas from that last thread - I'll kick some of those around and come up with something. Thanx again. T |
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I got the black starboard. Makes a nice impact/scratch resistant bottom.
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why do you feel you need to go BB to keep acros?
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Here is what I've done, I'm cutting in a whole house fan above the tank to keep the heat down. I've never ran 400 watters and only can imagine the heat I am using my TinMan mojo to fabricate the reflector. This is the bed room side collage. T |
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I saw the BB picture in your gallery, what was that bottom? please post some pic's ........T |
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One of my fondest wishes is to have a camera that can take decent pictures. There always seems to be something else costing several hundred bucks cropping up.
Fwiw, I have 3 separate systems. Two are BB, and one a ssb. But all 3 systems have extra large refugiums with dsb's. After many upgrades, and tank consolidations, the oldest of them is now about 3 years old and all are fully stable with a wide range of corals. I honestly can't say bb is any better/worse from my experience. Failures, etc. have been due my own errors, extended power failures, etc. I've been toying with re-installing a ssb in my lps display, but just have too many other things on the to do list that don't get done during baseball season.
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Thanx coralnut99, do you have rock to glass, or something between them? I haven't had an extended power outage, knock on wood........that's a bummer. I have an inverter as a last resort, I would like to some day have a generator back up but not this year.
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just my 2 cents
Yeah, back in the day (1989), I found a book in the library which talked about a liverock only tank ecosystem. Soon after I had a 55 gal glass Berlin setup, meaning Live rock with BB, and I eventually added a skimmer. My first saltwater tank. It eventually migrated to what I called a Berlin Hybrid. Which consisted of an alge scrubber which used prolifera alge (now called refugum...lol), and added a gravel bed to the front open bottom area of the tank. I added a medium large pump with a spray bar across the back bottom edge. at first ran 24/7, but eventually I had better luck getting the gunk out by leaving it off, and switching it on right before I did a water change. It would sweep all the sediment to the front where i could suck it out easily I Had a fairly heavy stocked tank, and never had ANY nitrate issues, and did fewer water changes too. Its funny, as im debating going with a deeper substrate....lol The grass is always grenner...right?
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T Man, Power outages have really been a huge issue for me. We went through a spell about 4-5 years ago with several daily outages that would barely knock out the digital clocks. But it was more than enough to fry every Rio pump I owned. We had a REALLY long one about 2 years ago that sent me running to Home Depot (about an hour's drive), to buy one of last generators they had (yet anothe of those things keeping a good camera out of ny hands), only to have the power come back as I'm getting the darn thing off the truck. Funny how life works, lol!
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Oops, forgot......No starboard used here. I took a fair amount of care in selecting and stacking rocks.
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How deep are you talking about? I've had a ten inch bed years back and I tell ya'......I had no issues ever. T |
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Rich, I'm looking at it like this.. acros grow on table after table separated from the sand bed. If I want to simulate that type of growth, the RDSB will function as in the wild.
Have you ever used a WaveBox? I want that action but would hate to pay five bones for something that appears I could cobble together for eight bucks- I guess I'm just scotch....T Last edited by T Man; 08/21/2007 at 08:43 PM. |
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If you want to go BB, great (I run BB), just say "I want to run BB".Theres no need for the false "I need to go BB because I want to keep SPS" , or "I want to go BB because theres no sand on the reef" crap. I've played with a wavebox, never owned one. Wasnt all that impressed.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by T Man I want a change, I've used sand beds for filtration the past three tanks. I'll still be using a DSB remotely, I just want keep the detritus, poo and food in the water column for filtration and not build up anwhere- with the BB in this 29 inch depth tank, I can finally direct the water to the bottom, I like that -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I guess you missed this earlier post. As for listening to the what the "BB crew" claims, that is a concensus that I'm not aware of nor influenced by. I have seen SPS on the reefs in the south Pacific and have observed the separation of the two.There is the reef and the sand bed- then the lagoon and the sand bed. I want the table part of the reef at each end of the 210, with the three 400watters and my twenty-nine inch tall tank- I can grow a table colony at depths of twenty-four inches. Show me some pic's Rich I want to see your BB and livestock, what do you use for the cleaning crew? will my four year old star fare well without the sand bed? it's never been without one....it spends a good amount of time on it. |
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BARE IT BABY!!!
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I know I have multiple penductors on pressure rated pumps, multiple maximods, and I still get a lot of settlement. I put my penductors on loc-line so that I can point them every which way, and my power heads on magnets. I have been trying for YEARS to keep stuff from settling on the bottom, haven't figured it out yet. I did manage to keep it settling on the rocks, which to me, is wayyy more important. When the stuff is on the bottom I can see the piles, not so much when it's on the rocks.
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T Man, welcome to the club. If I may, a little advice..
Get a becket and skim wet!!! Siphon always. Feed a lot. Go easy on the halide. Keep the sump clean and dark. Forget about filter socks (unless you beckett keeps clogging because of snails ) Good luck man!
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Thank you NoSchwag, I have cosidered all of your suggestions. I would like to grow table colonies as deep as two feet with the three four hundred watters, I honestly don't think I'll get the rate of growth I've anticipated with anything less.
I understand why a wet skim would be benificial, I am going to need a better skimmer for sure. What do use use for a cleaning crew besides snails? what about my linkia and conch, how will they fare without the sand bed? Thank's a bunch. T |
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