Tiny clown, percula or ocellaris?

Chelsey · #1 10/30/2006, 11:35 AM

These are the best pictures I can get. This little dude is less than an inch long and as you can tell only has one stripe, other two are coming in. Is he a true percula or an ocellaris? Thanks in advance!

ozadars · #2 10/30/2006, 11:59 AM

I think this is an Amphiprion ocellaris because of the color of the eye ring.

55semireef · #3 10/30/2006, 03:02 PM

I would say Ocellaris.

TearDrop · #4 10/30/2006, 08:08 PM

It looks like an Occelaris to me.

FFFrog · #5 10/31/2006, 01:43 PM

Its a percula, a ocellaris would have all three bars by now.

cokemanmark · #6 10/31/2006, 05:58 PM

that is a nice clown

Atticus · #7 11/01/2006, 12:38 AM

100% A. Ocellaris

FishGuttz · #8 11/01/2006, 10:45 AM

ocellaris

gasman059 · #9 11/01/2006, 12:16 PM

OCELLARIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oama · #10 11/01/2006, 10:57 PM

Did you use a flash when you took the pics?
Do you know the source from which them came?

Chelsey · #11 11/01/2006, 11:07 PM

No flash, I know where I got him (LFS) but they weren't sure what they were either...they thought maybe true percs but as I said they weren't sure.

55semireef · #12 11/02/2006, 06:38 PM

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Originally posted by FFFrog
Its a percula, a ocellaris would have all three bars by now.

Elaborate on this please. When you say "by now," are you referring to the clown's size or coloration or what? How do you even know how old it is in the first place? Every individual is different.

Kathy55g · #13 11/15/2006, 08:10 AM

I am with FFFrog, in that a fish almost 1 inch long, and with faint second and third stripes, could very well be juvenile A. percula. Misbars on A. ocellaris would be outlined in black by now. A. ocellaris would be pretty much done getting bars, A. percula just starting to .
Chelsey says the bars are coming in, indicating change. It's about the size/time for a percula to do that, from what I've read.

However, some very experienced folks have said A. ocellaris, so I could be wrong.

C_alex · #14 11/15/2006, 02:42 PM

It's a Nemo, Ocellaris........ by looking at the developing on the second bar.

JHardman · #15 11/15/2006, 07:44 PM

This is one of the more interesting ID's I have seen of late...

What makes it interesting (at least to me) is the picture on the fare right. That posture/motion is VERY VERY skunk like.

Take a look at my avatar and tell me if your fish looks more like a classic A. ocellaris/A. percula or like my avatar... My guess is that you will say it looks more like my avatar.

boyooso · #16 11/16/2006, 12:27 AM

Did the fish turn blue?

Or is the first photo the most recent ;-)

illcssd · #17 11/16/2006, 12:54 AM

I agree with you here, yet what do you make of the faded second bar jhardman? Does it not look like a developing second stripe? It does to me...

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Originally posted by JHardman
This is one of the more interesting ID's I have seen of late...

What makes it interesting (at least to me) is the picture on the fare right. That posture/motion is VERY VERY skunk like.

Take a look at my avatar and tell me if your fish looks more like a classic A. ocellaris/A. percula or like my avatar... My guess is that you will say it looks more like my avatar.

CanesDave · #18 11/16/2006, 09:19 AM

How about this answer, it is a tank raised cross with Ocellaris x Percula parents.

JHardman · #19 11/16/2006, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by illcssd
I agree with you here, yet what do you make of the faded second bar jhardman? Does it not look like a developing second stripe? It does to me...

Nope, that fish is way too big to still be developing a mid bar. That is just your typical misbarring going on there.

I am think it is a cross breed between a skunk complex and a A. ocellaris. Which might make it, what is in my avatar...

JHemdal · #20 11/16/2006, 12:49 PM

All,

How come nobody has brought up the fact that it simply is not possible to positively ID a fish from a fuzzy photograph? You can form an OPINION, but to say that it is 100% one thing or another is simply not possible. The idea that it is a tank-raised fish brings up a whole slew of developmental and genetic artifacts that cloud the answer.
Aside from good collection data on a wild fish, I find that there is only one reliable means to identify A. percula from A. ocellaris - The former's dorsal meristics are usually X-15, while the latter is usually XI-16, and the dorsal is a bit taller. The problem is that you usually need to have the fish in hand to see this - there if often a little stubby dorsal spine that is difficult to count, even from a clear photograph.

Jay Hemdal

p.s. - If I had to hazard a guess, I would say the fish is either A. percula, or has some sort of developmental issue (or is a hybrid).

JamesJR · #21 11/17/2006, 02:09 AM

I'd second the fuzzy picture. The shorter dorsal fin is making this tough. A better pic would be nice.

Atticus · #22 11/17/2006, 02:33 AM

If you hear hoof beats think horses not zebras...

Unless this thing is wild caught I am sticking with a poorly developed under nourished captive bred A. Ocellaris.