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Reef keeping laws.
How real is the possibilty that the government might pass laws banning certain aspects of the marine aquarium hobby?
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Well, certain caulerpa species are banned in certain places. Collecting live rock is illegal in Florida. I usually don't get political, but so long as the EPA, PETA, and the "progressive" movement are allowed to run unchecked, serious restrictions on reefkeeping are a real possibility.
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Very real. Hawaiian coral live rock, Florida rock and corals, etc, ring any bells Sharks are banned form Arizona IIRC, and corals need to be CITES or from a reconized fisheries dept.
FWIW, there's been several bills in the recent years aimed at regulating parts of MO imports and sales. Sen. Ed Case of HI indroduced a lame duck bill just last year seeking regulating MO imports. A few years back, one was aimed at air transport of MO which would have been pretty bad, luckily it flopped. Currently the is the United States Coral Reef Task Force that is looking at all aspects of the reefs, including MO and possiable recomendations of regulating MO activities. I'm sure you can find info on NOAA's site about the CRTF, or google it.
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Not to mention the possiable bannation of live rock due to the fact it can be a carrier of the now federally listed noxious algea caulerpa.
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caulerpa taxifolia is illegal here in Because its highly invasive
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*California*
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Hence being listed on the federal level as being noxious
FWIW, only southern CA has a problem with it, it really doesn't like 55 degrees for all that long Also not to mention they made all the "look alikes" illegal as well. We all know just how much racemosa and taxifolia look alike
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Have they ever considered outlawing this first?
http://www.usshell.com/ These guys kill and dry seahorses, and sell them for all of $1.99! Not to mention the 20 huge dead dries sea fans that are in the one hobby store I was just at alone, all from this company. I bet there were 100 dried starfish there. |
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something that you should be aware of:
http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=72632 http://www.reefs.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=72598 Sorry about posting a RDO thread but the bills are quite long. Mike |
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If I were you, I'd call US Fish and Wildlife Service and have an agent check out that store.
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thats horible about those sea horses i hoipe they go out of buisness.
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No I saw 'em real seahorses, $1.99 dried and in a nice little package, even came with a free peice of genuine used fish netting. If you are really sure that it is illegal now I will call but I stuff like this needs set in stone proof before hand.
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Nope, it doesn't really. The job of the field agent is to feel you out and see if your blowing smoke or if your truthfull. Call em, seahorses are CITES appendix 2, along with coral. If you won't, gimme the name/number via PM and I will.
If you mean proof that they're CITES appendix II, have a look here: http://www.cites.org/eng/resources/species.html and here: http://www.redlist.org/ FWIW, these counties had a problem with them being listed as such: Indonesia (ID), Japan (JP), Korea, Republic of (KR), Norway (NO) Since your a LFS employee, ask your favorite wholesale if wild sea horses are CITES II now. FWIW, I've been in wholesale MO for a bit over 7 years now
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sooose, youseguys don't have to hunt for it.
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cont.
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Did I get it all Gresham? That took a long time to type!
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Nah, Sally, you missed the part about the bill not being co-sponsored
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it is amazing how it feels like there is more regulation on the live stuff i can keep than there is on the souvenir items i could find at a store. Bans are often the first step in regulation...shut down the process, raise awareness, and then slowlymoved to "regulated" actions...but who knows...
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There are more regulations on dead then alive, thats why the curio trade does so much more in DEAD seahorses then us in alive. The asian medicinal trade kills thousands to our one as well, but finally CITES said no more imports of those. To bad asia really doesn't subscribe to CITES notions, nor are most members
I can't see how putting people outa of business while our government tries to figure out this, is right. In Sri Lanka alone, there are 50K people involved in the MO trade. They depend on it to eat Thats just one island, and guess what, not our larger producing MO country. That bill is SO FULL OF HOLES, it's not even funny. How about Case's bill cites blast fishing and bottom trawling as used as MO collecting techniques. That is a complete fabrication on his part (*IF* he even wrote it or even looked it over with knowledge of the trade). It shows how little they invested into the bill. It's a knee jerk reaction to a percieved problem. Don't get me wrong, most the bill is OK, with some treaking, it'll be really good. I'm all for regulationing the MO industry, I'm also for doing it correctly It's a shame that MAC can't even guide Case on the right path Maybe his sister needs to talk to their tenants more often and pass that info onto him.
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well said
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You might all want to take a look at this report:
The State of Coral Reef Ecosystems of the United States and Pacific Freely Associated States: 2005 http://ccma.nos.noaa.gov/ecosystems/...l_report_2005/ It's got a lot of interesting information on US coral reefs, including things that stress the reef and trends in reef health and water quality. |
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That being said it is true that without any watchdog agencies, or left wing structures nothing would remain to stop those who wish to take advantage of the system. It annoys me when people just say "corporations" as if every corporation is evil, as if they don't provide you with your entire life, with electricity, water, consumre goods, employment, money for the community, etc. I mean are their bad CEOs out there sure... but who are the CEOs answerable to? The shareholders. I mean CEOs would not be so obsessed with semi legitimate and less than legitimate practices to boost the profits of their companies if there wasn't a good change that they would get fired if they didn't make a certain return on peoples investment. My point is this. It is good to have open expression of idea, and to have watchdogs for both sides. I think that things have gone too far to the left though. When I walk on campus and hear a person shouting this in protest: Lower Tuition, make education more accessible to the poor. Followed by Ban corporate sponsor**** on university grounds... then by Increase funding to programs... I mean do people really not get it... where is the money coming from.. if you ascribe to that viewpoint.. then you ascribe to the: raise my daddy's taxes, and let someone else pay for my problems point of view. There is social welfare,and social conscious, but the economics of it, is too much welfare causes laziness (as a Canadian belive me I know), the more we control markets and subsidize the more you kill innovation, and have issues because your markets are not driven my economic forces. Sorry I have totally gone off track... and way off the topic of the thread. But my point is just that yes we need watchdog agencies, we need left wing conscious people, and we need fiscally responsible people as well... otherwise you just go from ronald reagan to joeseph stalin and back (i mean in terms of "ideology" not practice... since stalin was pretty "right wing" in most actions...
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Well, PETA got sport fishing banned in England. Not that that's something good
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Sorry being from Vancouver originally, the heartland of left wing wackjobs.. and some more reputable things like Sierra Club [Seattle, Vancouver whats the difference?], I have been surrounded by these ideas my entire life. I think lots of them are very extreme and do not take into account the realities of life, the market, and simple economics. If you want to see positive environmental change we need to decide as a society our priorities (which is where awareness groups come in) and use economic factors to drive change. IMO
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